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lazs2 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2004, 02:19:58 PM »

furball... what gave you the impression that I have watched the others? I have no interest in watching executions of inocents.

lazs

ravells · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2004, 02:23:36 PM »

This may be an unpopular view, but she must have known the the risks.

Her abduction is wrong and hopefully those who abducted her will pay.

Ravs

Halo · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2004, 02:23:59 PM »

It's the usual dilemma -- how do you keep people informed when the terrorists thrive on the publicity? If the media don't show the demands (how explicitly is a separate issue, the less graphic detail the better), they would be blamed more than when they do serve as an information conduit.

Need to take a consistent worldwide moral high ground with terrorists. Not my God is stronger than your God, but THE Universal Morality has standards that you are violating, which will bring disastrous consequences upon you unless you change your conduct immediately.

The only response to terrorist demands should be: "You gain nothing by this act except hatred for you and everyone associated with you. If you kill your captive you will be hunted down like beasts and destroyed for the good of humanity. If you release your captive and repent there may be hope for you. No matter what anyone has told you, in ignorance or in malice, by any religious measure and universal morality, those who murder the innocent are doomed to eternal suffering for their crimes. Release your captive and seek forgiveness before you disgrace yourself, shame your family, degrade your cause, and condemn your soul to hell."

Well, heck, it makes the utterer feel better even if it does fall on deaf ears.

ravells · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2004, 02:28:23 PM »

Nice sentiment, Halo, but what it won't do is get the people who are doing these things in Iraq whose sole purpose is to destablise the democratic process.

God knows, most of the Iraqis don't want them there. They just want to live a normal life.

Ravs

capt. apathy · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2004, 03:28:12 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I won't watch it.

lazs

I'm with you 100% on this one.

I haven't watched any of these videos and won't.

a major difference between terrorism and warfare is, IMO, is target selection criteria.

in war targets are primarily chosen for strategic value, to disable the enemies ability to fight.

with terrorism it seems targets are judged by hype value. what will upset people the most, what will get the most news coverage, what will get the most people to hear about some cause that most wouldn't be interested in otherwise.

this woman is a prime example. in warfare standards she has no value as a target. from what I've read she has been helping Iraqi people for quite a while, a 'good samaritan', with no military connections.

but these things make her a perfect terrorism target (her being a woman adds a bit of value too).

they gain nothing from killing her except their main goal- the hype.

if we would stop watching these types of videos. turn the channel when discussion of it comes on.

as hard as it is to do, the only thing your average man can do to help fight it is to ignore it as much as you possibly can. if you do this, and let the media know that you're changing the channel when these things are reported, it will get less air time.

the terrorists count on their message getting out along with the story of the abduction/murders, in fact it's the whole point.

if we stop giving it the hype then their is no value.

as crazy as they seem they do have a motivation for what they do. limiting the hype for this type of thing should take that motivation away or at least reduce the pay-off.

Chortle · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2004, 03:31:31 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
This may be an unpopular view, but she must have known the the risks.

Her abduction is wrong and hopefully those who abducted her will pay.

Ravs

I agree Ravells but not in this particular case. She's been there for 30 years and has different motives than civilian contractors who are over there.

Civilians should be pulled out as they're doing more harm than good, however inadvertantly it may be.

ravells · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2004, 03:39:51 PM »

It's not a question of what we feel is right. it's a question of what we know they are capabable of doing.

Ravs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2004, 07:12:33 PM »

For the most part while horrible I do not feel particularly bad for those civilians that get abducted over there. Even if they are killed.

Those people are not forced to be there and for the most part are there out of their own sense of greed as Im sure they must be getting paid a significant amount of money to be willing to go over there.
I know for sure I woudnt be willing to work over there for any kind of standard wage

And while it may sound cold
But You know what your getting into when you decide to go over there and they decided to roll the dice and take their chances. They lost.

Im not saying its right or its ok. but it is the way it is.

That being said, I DO find this incident particularly infuriating because She wasnt the enemy. She was not over there out of greed. Or to help fill the coffers of some corporate conglomerate

She was over there for what, 30 years I think they said?
To do and doing nothing more then HELP the Iraqi people.
She was practically one of them

ravells · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2004, 07:20:24 PM »

Absolutely.

But she must have known she'd be a target.

This is a bit like the rape agrument...are they asking for it if they are provocatively dressed in a place they shouldn't be'.

It is utterly WRONG that she has been abducted and may well die. Don't forget the objective of the people who have abducted her is to destablise the country and to do anything which achieves that end.

But she ought to have known the risks. The more I see this sort of stuff on TV the more I hope the Iraqi people will see (which I am sure they do) that the people who are doing these acts are less than human.

That said, the abductors havn't yet killed a woman (they released the women they held before) and Islam is a religion which treats women badly in some ways but usually not as 'prisoners of war'

let's just hope and pray she'll be ok.

RedTop · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:09:19 PM »

Guy here at work was listening to Savage Nation. Seems as tho there is a 250k reward for an american Female Soldier.

No source as of yet other than that. He read an email from a female soldier to her Mom.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:18:42 PM »

She will probaly be dead soon. If anything Britain should send in more troops to hunt these bastards down..

Chortle · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:21:35 PM »

Hey RedTop

Hows things mate?

There are some truly messed up freaks over there, the only thing stopping them from wiping themselves out are the western infidels, fricken ironic.

RedTop · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:35:36 PM »

Hi Chortle. Things are pretty good...been better Bud. Come fly with me and the squaddies sometime man. Would be great to have ya. We have like 10-15 brits in the squad now. How's things with you as well?

71st RAF Spitfires. 122 channel on the Knights:aok

Flyboy · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2004, 09:13:44 PM »

i wish NASA will "exidently" hit and crash Al jezira satalite..

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2004, 10:09:23 PM »

Remember, the people who are kidnapping and murdering people in Iraq, are "freedom fighters", or "insurgents", not "terrorists", "criminals", "thugs", or "craven cowards".

Interesting choice of victims this time, a woman, who at least at one time held Iraqi citizenship, and has been helping the Iraqis for 3 decades.