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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2004, 08:40:38 AM »
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I DO see a moron though..

Are they suppose to pay more than their tax burden? Martlet go away you dumb****..


Ahhh, when shown to be the fool, you reduce the argument to ***** and ******.

Liberals are funny.

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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2004, 08:54:37 AM »
Shown to be a fool?? lmao martlet.. your handsomehunk isn't capable of such things.. You called me a theif and in noway challenged any of my statements... Now get off my leg..

I'll call you the winner in the fool claiming box..  You always exclaim it first..

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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2004, 09:00:07 AM »
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Shown to be a fool?? lmao martlet.. your handsomehunk isn't capable of such things.. You called me a theif and in noway challenged any of my statements... Now get off my leg..

I'll call you the winner in the fool claiming box..  You always exclaim it first..


I called you a thief?

HAHAHAHA.  I didn't show you to be a fool, you just did it yourself........again.

You can't address the point I made because it's dead on.  You can just stomp your feet and cry about it.

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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2004, 09:24:52 AM »
So, you are saying you didnt call me a thief? martlet, you dont even know what you yourself wrote?? What is this saying:
 

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If an ATM machine is broken, do you take all the money then sue the bank for losing your savings? Oh wait. You're a NeoCom. Of course you would.


Is the above directed at some entity not in our conversation??

Then you say you've shown me to be a fool by saying this??
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Ahhh, when shown to be the fool, you reduce the argument to ***** and ******.


I dont even know what the ****s' are cause I didnt write those or anything close..

 Then you say this??

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I didn't show you to be a fool, you just did it yourself.


my gawd man.. make up your mind..

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You can't address the point I made because it's dead on. You can just stomp your feet and cry about it.


Hey moron, I did address it.. Too bad your too stupid to realize..

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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2004, 09:36:24 AM »
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Hey moron, I did address it.. Too bad your too stupid to realize..



You did?  I must have missed it amongst all the whining.

Are you stating it ISN'T hypocritical to take advantage of a system you say hurts America and is grounds for dismissal?

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2004, 10:43:51 AM »
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Nope.. just you from my pov.. Plain silliness to think that anyone would not take advantage of the present situation..


So Kerry needs a law in order to do what he thinks is right?  

If he truly believed that the rich should pay more then he should have paid more and he had the opportunity to do so.  Motive and opportunity are supposedly there.  One must ask why he did not take advantage of the situation.  Perhaps the motive was not that strong.

True Irony: Gifts to the government are tax deductable.

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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2004, 10:50:51 AM »
Answer: Bush

Only because he has lost everything in the past that has been given to him.. Hopefully, present circumstances as well..


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So Kerry needs a law in order to do what he thinks is right?


I dont follow.. Are you stating that Kerry needs to change the tax laws? Isn't that what has been done already??

edit:  aww, i c your point now. I dont know.. Perhaps he felt his charity would be better in other places??

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If he truly believed that the rich should pay more then he should have paid more and he had the opportunity to do so. Motive and opportunity are supposedly there. One must ask why he did not take advantage of the situation. Perhaps the motive was not that strong.


He paid his tax debt just like most all other americans.. That in itself gives him the right to dispute it.. Are we attempting to judge Kerry by a different standard than Bush??  He fulfilled his obligations to the government, does this mean he cannot have an opinion of his obligations??

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True Irony: Gifts to the government are tax deductable.


haha! Yes, very good!

Note: Sorry Sealot for the rant/hijack my friend.. 8)
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2004, 10:57:44 AM »
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Are we attempting to judge Kerry by a different standard than Bush??  


No, we are judging Kerry by his own statements.

Bush believes the tax breaks are the right move.  Kerry says that his own income bracket should pay higher taxes, yet he doesn't do so.

HYPOCRITE.

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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2004, 11:07:36 AM »
BTW... in the debate... I don't recall Kerry mentioning stock options or dividends.  He was going to roll back the taxes.  I can't help but see irony in virtually every "statement" being made by kerry supporters in this thread.  "The tax break wasn't that big of a deal... it's the dividends and options... so let's roll back the tax break."

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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2004, 11:15:18 AM »
I think the point of rolling back the tax break was to reduce the tax burden on the shrinking middle class..

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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2004, 11:38:38 AM »
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Liberals:
WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

THE ECONOMY IS FAULTER


Enter Bush Tax cuts to stimulate said economy


WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

HE GAVE TAX CUTS TO THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE MAJOR INVESTING IN THE ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!

Cry me a river


major flaw in your thinking.

say you have some rich guy who makes $20,000,000 a year, he spends a bit of it and saves the rest, with interest rates so low he might even invest it over seas or just buy gold and let the money sit until the economy is doing better, who knows.

 the point is you give a guy who has money more money it's not going to change much.  hell, you could accomplish the same result for the economy by keeping the money and letting the gov't invest it, that way the gov't still has it, and can use the profit and the principle to pay down our debt.  instead we give it to a rich guy to invest so he can get richer.

if however you gave that tax break to the working class it would get spent.  they would buy luxuries like dental care, electricity, food, and the like.  these sort of things have to be produced and is you have customers with cash in hand to spend you will have no problem getting people willing to invest.  

here's a bit of info that I would have thought would have been obvious, but from as many times as I've heard Republicans say "we need to cut the taxes of the wealthy to stimulate the economy", it isn't.

  OK here it is -  the rich already have money.  thats why they call them that.

the funny thing is the republicans who run the show around here know it too, they just won't say it out loud.  why do you think we got that early tax refund a few years back?  the one that capped out at $600?  

even though the wealthy were entitled to it, it had no real effect on their finances.  working people spent that money, and spending fuels an economy, not investing.

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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2004, 11:45:49 AM »
Actually... that would increase the tax burden on everyone.  Note.. he never said he wasn't going to roll back taxes for everyone... he said he'd not "increase taxes" and cited increasing the child deduction and so forth.  I wonder why he was having to say he was going to increase deductions as a means to not increase taxes?

The problem with Terresa's tax statement isn't the $70,000 she saved in taxes because of the tax break.  It's the $800,000 she saved because of loopholes and tax shelters.

Think about it a bit.  Why this is about increasing taxes and not about imposing a flat tax is beyond me.  "Tax the wealthy" has become a handwaiving statement for the DNC.  "Pretend to tax the wealthy" is much more applicable.  The roll-back would be hitting everyone... but we'll pretend it's just hitting the wealthy.

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2004, 11:48:49 AM »
Apathy... nobody puts 20,000,000 in savings.  That's one major flaw in your thinking.  The next is using that last ",000".  I believe you have no idea who the "rich" are by today's standards.  You've become so accostomed to spewing rhetoric that you're simply not understanding what you're talking about.

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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2004, 11:58:03 AM »
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Actually... that would increase the tax burden on everyone.  Note.. he never said he wasn't going to roll back taxes for everyone... he said he'd not "increase taxes" and cited increasing the child deduction and so forth.  I wonder why he was having to say he was going to increase deductions as a means to not increase taxes?

The problem with Terresa's tax statement isn't the $70,000 she saved in taxes because of the tax break.  It's the $800,000 she saved because of loopholes and tax shelters.

Think about it a bit.  Why this is about increasing taxes and not about imposing a flat tax is beyond me.  "Tax the wealthy" has become a handwaiving statement for the DNC.  "Pretend to tax the wealthy" is much more applicable.  The roll-back would be hitting everyone... but we'll pretend it's just hitting the wealthy.


I believe he did say he would raise taxes on the nations most wealthy..

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2004, 12:06:49 PM »
Did you listen to him when he said exactly how he could raise tax revenue without raising the lower class's taxes?  I'm thinking you didn't.  He's going to roll back the taxes for everyone.  He's going to increase deductions (that have already been increased) as a means for countering it in certain situations... and only to a degree.  That's lawyer speak for "taxes are going back up."

Maybe you should pay more attention to what your savior is saying.