Author Topic: what is a horde? (Read 1897 times)

nopoop · « **Reply #45 on:** October 24, 2004, 05:19:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
When the fight was over I had killed 4, lost both teammates and the 5th enemy was running from my Hurri like he stole a TV

That's the crux. That's what closes the circle, explains what for the most part, the prevailing mindset.

Put in a few words it reads like this:

Ba...ba..but YOU MIGHT HAVE DIED !!!!!

Over the last year of this debate what I find utterly facinating is that the pilot making that type of statement usually won't think twice about dying delivering his ordenance on a tool shed. It's a hazard of the war..

..it's for the "greater good", for the team..

Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.

And with that, I'll go figure..

dracon · « **Reply #46 on:** October 24, 2004, 05:22:00 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
You think maybe they got tired of the boring flying in the horde? Maybe they wanted to actually fight people instead of buildings?

NO!!!!! Read the GD post! Now, quit being a "dipstick".

DipStick · « **Reply #47 on:** October 24, 2004, 05:24:44 PM »

Yup... That's what I figured.

Fauxbra · « **Reply #48 on:** October 24, 2004, 05:55:15 PM »

a "Horde" is what you call any mission attacking your base when your countrymen are unwilling to assist you and muster a defence. It is the Death whine of a pilot who has been Vulched repeatedely and now sits in the tower gazing out the window at the overwhelming enemy force preparing to capture his field.

nopoop · « **Reply #49 on:** October 24, 2004, 06:15:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Fauxbra
It is the Death whine of a pilot who has been Vulched repeatedely and now sits in the tower gazing out the window at the overwhelming enemy force preparing to capture his field.

Your missing something here Fauxbra, but I'm at a loss to explain it to you.

To put it another way. An overwhelming force in my view is on BOTH sides of the equation, a loss of what can be had with ones online time.

There's more availible than meets the eye.

If that was all that was availible when I logged on, I'd log off regardless of what "side" I was on.

Look for the edges, the little fights and you'll have the chance to experience what it can be.

Ten minutes in a little corner can dwarf the satisfaction and fun of months "playing" on one side or another of an overwhelming force.

Feel the force young Jedi

Step up !!

Tilt · « **Reply #50 on:** October 24, 2004, 07:29:13 PM »

The Horde is a place where all human attributes are reduced to the lowest common denominator.............

It just depends how low the lowest common denominator is...........

Dok aludes to how low it could be..........

The individual may be an individual when apart from the horde but not when he/she is part of it.............

in essence you define the horde better when you can say........

"this ........... is not of the horde..........."

For instance you may say that an overwhelming force organised into an efficient land grabbing unit with chains of command, clearly identified objectives and methodolgy, yet able to operate to some sort of high code of conduct............ is not of the horde.

Of course in order to say such a thing.........it would have to exist.

That a "side" could actually organise its self so is ridiculous, isn't it?

Elfie · « **Reply #51 on:** October 24, 2004, 07:36:12 PM »

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Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.

My sentiments exactly

beet1e · « **Reply #52 on:** October 25, 2004, 01:12:29 AM »

Well, Nopoop. We've seen eachother around sims for quite a few years now. And different things appeal to different people. But this habit of the furball guys of proclaiming what they think is best about the game whilst making subtle (or not so subtle) gibes at other players' game styles has begun to pall.

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Originally posted by nopoop
Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.

But you spend more time modelling than flying, right? Fair enough, if that's what you enjoy. So I will paraphrase you by saying (with certain spelling and syntax corrections

) that out of all the burned in memories of unforgettable experiences over six years of (virtual) flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE is related to admiring the polished belly of a ki84, the paint job of an LA7, or the canopy of a P47.

pellik · « **Reply #53 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:03:58 AM »

I draw the distinction as to whether or not a pilot is a horde pilot on the circumstances on which he took off. The "horde" pilots are the ones that look at the map for a sector in which their country has a clear advantage, and go there. They arn't needed, as their country already has the advantage, and they won't get many kills, because the enemy isn't that interested after having already lost. These guys quickly turn into large groups roaming around trying to chase down the first plane they see. They'll all dive on a single con and don't seem to mind that they are only one of twenty guys chasing the poor sap. While they probably have a half decent K/D, on account of always having the advantage, their K/time is freakin terrible. My dislike of these guys is based around the fact that I'm usually up there fighting when odds are bad. As soon as I start doing well and getting enough kills to change the dar bar in our favor, 20 guys take off from the nearest field. Thus, after the initial sortie, I'm probably not going to get many kills.

-pellik

beet1e · « **Reply #54 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:29:26 AM »

pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.

But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.

pellik · « **Reply #55 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:38:09 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.

But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.

I meant that as the k/h is more of a trend then a quantifier. The low k/h is the problem with this style of flying, but this information isn't really useful as a diagnostic tool for any particular pilot reguarding horde flying. There are just too many other factors that affect k/h.

-pellik

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #56 on:** October 25, 2004, 08:10:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
My sentiments exactly

By contrast.
Just about ALL of mine are.
Furballing can be fun for sure.
But I find most furballs are only as memorable as the last furball.
Soon as I get past the next one I couldnt tell ya much about what happened in the furball before last.

On the other hand I could tell ya about all sorts of fights I've been in that were related directly or indirectly to base taking, holding, Winning the war and/or blowing up toolsheds.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #57 on:** October 25, 2004, 08:24:52 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.

But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.

I find thats what happens to me on just about all the maps.

I think you would have to include K/d in that list of things that isnt a good yardstick of anything.

If you spend alot of time going up against superiour numbers, odds are your KD isnt goiing to be very good either.
Actually hardly any of the stats really mean a whole lot I've found other then perhaps any plane V plane stats which just looking at my own are a pretty good indicator as to which planes you fly well against and which planes you have problems with.

But even there alot has to do with the types of planes you mostly encounter also

4510 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 25, 2004, 09:07:34 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.

But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.

Thing that bothered me most was the hordes avoiding each other.
When one end of my country is getting steamrolled and 80% of the flyers in my country are all in two sectors on the otherside of the map... trying to take strategically worthless... undefended bases.

mars01 · « **Reply #59 on:** October 25, 2004, 09:58:56 AM »

Beets Back Load up the Guns!!!!!! LOL, glad to see you made it back ok Beet. When is your strike going to end?

Bingo! - Stang, Sax and Nopoop.

Also couldn't agree more with

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I have no problem with the land grab. I enjoy it as much as I do the dogfighting.
But the best landgrab fights I've been involved in both offensively and defensively are the ones where both sides have fought desperately over a base until one eventually gets the upper hand.

Not the ones where you send a billion and one people to attack a base or bases where the outcome is certain due to sheer numbers long before they have ever even reached the base they are attacking.

and this...

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Thing that bothered me most was the hordes avoiding each other.
When one end of my country is getting steamrolled and 80% of the flyers in my country are all in two sectors on the otherside of the map... trying to take strategically worthless... undefended bases.