Author Topic: Nice Job Bushie! (Read 5644 times)

JBA · « **Reply #180 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:40:12 PM »

RPM you and keryy have been pawned

Sandman · « **Reply #181 on:** October 26, 2004, 01:34:08 PM »

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Originally posted by AVRO1
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."

—George W. Bush

Is this a joke?

Well... it might be a joke.

...but it's not true.

Dago · « **Reply #182 on:** October 26, 2004, 02:10:44 PM »

By this time, I now feel anyone quoting the NYT as a news source ranks right up there with my Grandmother telling me about aliens living among us because she read it in the Enquirer. For Gods sakes man, choose a professional news source, not an extremly biased rag that has been proven to publish blatant lies.

dago

Ripsnort · « **Reply #183 on:** October 26, 2004, 02:11:57 PM »

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Originally posted by -MZ-
Don't you know me better than that?

NEW YORK TIMES
October 9, 2004
THE SANCTIONS
Report Cites U.S. Profits in Sale of Iraqi Oil Under Hussein
By JUDITH MILLER and ERIC LIPTON

Okay, Newsmax is less bias than NYT. Find a better source.

AVRO1 · « **Reply #184 on:** October 26, 2004, 03:13:05 PM »

I thought it might be that since it's pretty obvious the word is French when English people pronunce it. It doesn't sound english.

Things like that makes me wish people had better things to do with their time then invent dumb quotes to make someone they don't like look dumb. I guess it's just the American way.

-MZ- · « **Reply #185 on:** October 26, 2004, 03:49:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Okay, Newsmax is less bias than NYT. Find a better source.

Maybe in your little world it is, but here in reality the NY Times is recognized as America's greatest newspaper. NewsMax is about as unbiased as Mother Jones.

Anwyay,

LOS ANGELES TIMES
October 7, 2004

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U.S. companies and individuals made at least $30 million in profit by participating in the illegal oil voucher scheme, according to figures in Duelfer's report. The names of two, and perhaps three, U.S. citizens and an unspecified number of U.S. companies appeared on 13 "secret lists" maintained by the Iraqi Oil Ministry to keep track of payouts.

Duelfer said that U.S. law prevented him from listing the names of the companies and individuals in the report, though he said the names had been turned over to appropriate authorities. He said he had argued strongly for releasing the names, but government lawyers had stopped him.

"I am not a lawyer, and so if someone tells me I'm going to go to jail for something … I listen carefully," he said.

The exclusion of the U.S. companies drew outrage from Sen. Ben Nelson, a Nebraska Democrat.

"Isn't it interesting that we print the names of petty criminals in the police blotter sections in weekly newspapers across the country, but somehow the names of these companies don't get in?" Nelson asked during the hearing.

At least four U.S. companies have received subpoenas in connection with an investigation of the U.N. program by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York. Exxon Mobil Corp., ChevronTexaco Corp., El Paso Corp. and Valero Energy Corp. have not been named as targets of the investigation.

deSelys · « **Reply #186 on:** October 26, 2004, 04:00:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I remember seeing lots of people on the perimeter when that statue of Saddam was pulled down, some of them came running up when the statue was pulled down, but there were many people watching (and cheering when it hit the ground). Even the picture you posted shows a significant number of people in the background, and thats not even a wide angle shot. I watched it happen live (iirc), I watched those people celebrate. That was just one small part of Baghdad. There were hundreds of people at that event at the very least....

Funny, I just saw a show on TV about this event. One some wide angle shots, you can see that there are at the utmost 100 people massed in one place of the perimeter. In the close-ups, you can see that this crowd is 50% journalists, 50% arabs (not necessarily native). According to the commentary, those peoples were mostly the drivers and translators working with the journalist.

You can indeed ask yourself why the US Army is taking down the statue, and not the Iraqi population (like it happened during the Fall of Berlin's Wall).

The event was staged, and there was no sincere cheering.

parker00 · « **Reply #187 on:** October 26, 2004, 04:27:06 PM »

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You can indeed ask yourself why the US Army is taking down the statue, and not the Iraqi population (like it happened during the Fall of Berlin's Wall).

I watched this live and what I saw was Iraqi's were trying to get it down, but after they realized it wasn't moving very much the US moved in with a tank and pulled it down. I will say that I didn't see all that many people compared to what lives in Bagdad but it was Iraqi's who first attempted to pull the statue down.

68Parker

Toad · « **Reply #188 on:** October 26, 2004, 04:31:56 PM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
You can indeed ask yourself why the US Army is taking down the statue, and not the Iraqi population (like it happened during the Fall of Berlin's Wall).

The event was staged, and there was no sincere cheering.

One can indeed ask why you post such drivel, since the entire thing was shown live on TV as it happened.

Saddam statue toppled in central Baghdad

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqis danced and waved the country's pre-1991 flag in central Baghdad's Firdos Square after a U.S. Marine armored recovery vehicle helped topple the square's huge statue of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The statue -- the height of about four men -- was one of the symbols of Saddam's rule over Iraq and came down about 6:50 p.m. Wednesday (10:50 a.m. ET).

Iraqis had begun tearing down portraits of Saddam and throwing shoes -- a grave insult in the Arab world -- and chipping away at the base of the statue with sledgehammers after a column of Marines advanced into the square Wednesday afternoon.

A small group of men climbed the statue's pedestal and attached a rope around its neck. Shortly afterward, Marines backed an armored recovery vehicle up to the monument and attached a chain to the statue, which was erected last April to mark Saddam's 65th birthday.

deSelys · « **Reply #189 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:07:24 PM »

Yup, I forgot that everything you see on TV is pure reality. My bad. I'll look up the pics where you see the area around the statue deserted with the exception of one particular zone.

BTW your cut n'paste seems to confirm my 'drivel':

"Marines backed an armored recovery vehicle up to the monument and attached a chain to the statue"

and

"A small group of men"

You forgot about the US flag put around the neck of the statue by US troops than... oops... a new iraqi flag. Such a believable and understandable mistake!

Martlet · « **Reply #190 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:08:33 PM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Yup, I forgot that everything you see on TV is pure reality. My bad. I'll look up the pics where you see the area around the statue deserted with the exception of one particular zone.

BTW your cut n'paste seems to confirm my 'drivel':

"Marines backed an armored recovery vehicle up to the monument and attached a chain to the statue"

and

"A small group of men"

You forgot about the US flag put around the neck of the statue by US troops than... oops... a new iraqi flag. Such a believable and understandable mistake!

Do you have a point, or do you just enjoy finding trivial matters to argue about?

deSelys · « **Reply #191 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:11:35 PM »

After 2 mins of google search:

edit: not clear enough to be convincing I'll admit.

Toad · « **Reply #192 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:12:26 PM »

I happened to be watching CNN at that time.

They were showing the square on TV long before the Marines arrived. There were lots of Iraqis around doing the "beat Saddam with a shoe" thing, climbing on the stature, smiling, etc.

This went on for quite some time before the Marines got to the square. It was even longer before the Marines offered to help. Longer yet until the vehicle with the winch showed up.

Maybe you can get CNN to make you a copy of their feed for the hour before the statue actually fell. Then you'd at least know how incorrect your statements are and how they make you look in this thread.

Elfie · « **Reply #193 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:22:07 PM »

What Toad said

I believe it was CNN that I was watching as well, other networks may have shown it also.

deSelys · « **Reply #194 on:** October 26, 2004, 05:27:45 PM »

Before you care about how I look, you should care about your exact recalling of the event:

From CNN

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Despite uncertainty about Saddam's fate, cheering and chanting Iraqis danced in Baghdad's Firdos Square on a toppled statue of Saddam, dragged off its massive stone base by U.S. Marines in a tank.

Though there was a muted reaction from the crowd when a Marine draped a U.S. flag over the statue's head -- after one minute it was replaced by an Iraqi flag pre-dating the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

After the statue was pulled down the Iraqis broke it into pieces and dragged its head around through the streets while others -- including children -- pounded it with shoes, an act considered a supreme insult in the Arab world.

The toppling happened first (after the flag scene). Then the 'crowd' showed its joy.