I see more Red every time we do this.

[Charon]

At the very least a "mandate" should have a two to one margin, or 66% appoval. The gay marriage ban is what I would consider a mandate in many states....I've heard that in some states it passed with margins of 75% or greater.

I can certainly agree with that.  I have no problem with it myself, but clearly I'm in the minority.

Charon

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Charon
I almost missed this one. Yeah, except for those 8 Clinton years, you know, the 1990s.

Just because most of the people you may associate in your local area believe the way you do -- remember, there are areas where you could talk to 10 random people off the street and not find a single one that holds your viewpoint.

Charon

I'm at work and can't relly get into it a lot ( plus I type slow)

Clinton sqeeked into office, Perot grabbed 19% of the popular vote and probably allowed him to beat Bush Sr.  During his terms, didn't the reps control the house and senate?

I don't base my point on what others beleive or who I hang out with. I just feel that it's pretty amazing what happened this election.

As it is now, the majority of American voters voted Bush back into office and canned some more Dems out of office, including Dashel. Pretty stunning if you look at the outcome as a whole imo.

[GtoRA2]

You can make a case that Clinton was Barely a democrat, he pushed alot of pretty conservitive things.

[Charon]

You can make a case that Clinton was Barely a democrat, he pushed alot of pretty conservitive things.

True. And that's how I like my Democrats.  The same with Republicans - moderate, more middle of the road and inclusive. [edit: I would probably be an "old school" Republican if the party still existed today]

I agree Bush had a clear, decisive win, as Toad and others have pointed out. But he is also an activist president, who had a free ride from the do-nothing Democrats before and has no need to really worry about them at all, now.

I think, (though I may be surprised) that a lot of casual bush "war" supporters (the soccer moms, for example) may find some disagreeable supreme court nominations. They may even find their sons and daughters being drafted for that war. Neither candidate wanted it, and both said it wouldn't happen, but we'll just have to see how good the recruiters can do in the next year or how well the Iraqization of the occupation (Hey, I could be J.J. ) goes.

As J_A_B pointed out about the only clearly mandated issue seems to be Gay marriage.  

I posted a thread yesterday that got no response in the euphoria of the day. But I would like some serious feedback from the President's supporters who helped him win. Unless it was just a Ford vs. Chevy thing you obviously have expectations as to what he will deliver. It's something that would apply equally to either cadidate, since Kerry made a lot of promises that seemed too good to be true. It's just about what your expections are by this time in 2008.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=134605&referrerid=5405

I've been wrong or ignorant too many times to list in my life, so I could very well be wrong about Bush and his policies. Maybe he's just not had enough time for the policies to achieve success.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I want results. Like any politician, he should be accountable to those who elected him.

Charon

[jamusta]

I dont think more people are becoming republicans. I believe alot of people voted for who they thought was best. I believe if the millions of young people who registered to vote showed up to vote the result might have been slightly different. The 18 to 30 group will oneday understand that they have a powerful say in what happens in this country. Convincing 18 and 19 y/o to stand in a long line to vote will be difficult. They lack patience.

[J_A_B]

"The 18 to 30 group will oneday understand that they have a powerful say in what happens in this country."

probably about the time they're in the 30-45 age group

J_A_B

[Charon]

Convincing 18 and 19 y/o to stand in a long line to vote will be difficult. They lack patience.

If the worst case scenario happens and they find themselvs standing in lines at the induction center... that may change

Charon

[TequilaChaser]

Charon,
you asked what I expect from my vote...which I voted for Bush...btw

I expect to see the economy to slowly get better, but really get alot better after GWB leaves office at the end of 2008.....

A democrate will take office in 2008 ( beginning 2009) and then will lay claim to what Bush has accomplished in his term before

basically the same thing will happen as to what happened back when Reagan and Bush Sr. turned the country around, then by the time all their work trickled through it was into Clintons second term year......so clinto looked good and people kept him for another 4, yet by the time Clinton left office in Dec of  2000, things had swung to bad economy etc.and majority of nieve people in the US thought it was  GWB's faught, btw alot of how things go is not at all the Presidents faught  regardless who the pres is at the time, congress plays a big role in it all and so does the lobbyist, big corporations, the Big 8, other nations, UN, OPec, and so forth....just the media and most lay the blame or the fame on the President.....

Tim Russert made me laugh yesterday, when he slipped up saying is it is unforntunate we lost, I mean , that Kerry and the democrats lost.......

we all know how the media pushes it's views down everyone's throat.......national media really, some local media stick to their beliefs

I have more thoughts or opinions, but this stuff gets to boring to discuss....rather spend my free time in the game

[AKIron]

[Nash]

[AKIron]

hehe

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Charon
No, a slight percentage more people chose Republicans.

If you have a 100 lb force shoving a mass to the left and a 103 lb force shoving to the right, the mass accellerates to the right.  That three lbs means a bunch.

A majority of Governers, a plurality of state legislatures, both federal congressional houses, the executive branch, and soon a couple of SC appointments.

[1K0N]

Stay down, or we'll do it again.

[Vudak]

Ugh...  I just certainly hope Bush will be more moderate then some of his supporters are asking him to be...

Do we really need a constitutional amendment telling people who they can marry?  Ie, do we really need a constitutional amendment defining what a "person" is, and not having that definition be equal?

Not that he can just write it in, but his opinion would certainly influence other's.  

I tell you, I define myself as a moderate Republican, I sent Bush money, and supported him up until he backed the whole amendment movement...  But I'm a northerner.  I can go to my town hall and see a pillar with the names of all the men, just from my small town, that died to make men equal.  It really strikes me as sinister that today we might try to do anything less.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Charon
If the worst case scenario happens and they find themselvs standing in lines at the induction center... that may change

Charon

Do you actually buy that Bravo Sierra?

For the United States, the age of the conscript soldier is over. Being a soldier these days is a profession, it is a far different military than it was in the day of the citizen soldier. Hence the importance of the National Guard and the Reserves. Fortunately, for the most part, the U.S. military is a much smaller more effective force using a lot more of Boyd's tactics as opposed to the earlier days of massive numerical forces.