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Offline crowMAW

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2004, 07:44:08 AM »
Toad do you still have your Ryan?

BTW, I hope your health issues get worked out for the best.  I've definiately been thinking about you and hoping it all goes OK.

Are you able to keep your medical given the treatment you're on?

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2004, 08:13:46 AM »
Crow,

I am 6' 2" and about 230; the Ryan was too small for me. It also has a limiteed pilot/passenger load and relatively "short legs".  With my head sticking up above the windscreens, I kept getting smacked in the forehead with the big bugs.

I ended up owning a Fairchild for 13 years. I loved it; a superb airplane for plain old fun. Probably the best tailwheel trainer I could ever have picked for introducing my sons to flying.

I lost my medical in 2002 and went through appeals without luck. So, I sold it in 2003; after that the FAA wrote me and said they thought I might be able to get it back. Gotta love it... then this currently unresolved kidney cancer thing popped up. I'll just have to see how it all plays out. The medical is not my major concern right now.

Anyway, the guy I sold it to lets me go flying with him anytime I want to, so it's OK. He let me fly it for two hours in July... jeez, that was sweet.

Habu, at one time we had 4 PT-19's in the family. Parts aren't that bad and they are an extremely simple aircraft to work on.

At present, my brother has a freshly-restored Fairchild in Lincoln, NE for sale. He's a US Air pilot and they're in bankruptcy for the second or tenth time or something. This airplane has about 25 hours on it out of restoration. It was taken down to the very last nut and bolt. It has a fullyl rebuilt center section, the wings have been totally redone, the engine built up by a very experienced builder that did all our engines.

If you want to fly it, let me know.

Trust me on this... don't buy a Stearman until you fly a Fairchild. Fairchilds have torque tube/ball bearing control connections. The only "cable control" on a Fairchild is the elevator trim. You will be amazed at the difference in control pressures in a Stearman and a Fairchild. You can literally fly a trimmed Fairchild using one finger on top of the stick. Second, the view is OUTSTANDING. Third, without doubt, the Fairchild is the best crosswind aircraft of the three US trainers. Check out the size of the vertical stab and rudder. Fourth, Fairchilds are WAY cheaper than Stearmans. Fifth, if you are 6'7", you are going to be cramped in the back seat of a Stearman and amazed at how much room you have in a Fairchild. Also, if you want to go cross country, a Fairchild has a 3 hour range with an hour of reserve. Both the Ryan and Stearman are about 1.5 with a .5 hour reserve. That's been a big comfort to me a few times when the weather got dicey.

Fly both before you buy... you'll be amazed at how good a Fairchild flies. And for far less money.

This was my aircraft:



I owned 33; that's me in the front and my Dad in the back. Dad trained in Fairchilds in 1942.

50 was my brother's first Fairchild; it's already sold. He's in the front and his old squadron CO is in the back. My brother flew 50 while the other one was being restored. The restoration was done by the fellow (IA) that restored my aircraft from a pile of parts in someone's back yard.
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2004, 08:34:35 AM »
Toad

Can you email me with the details on the plane (price TTAF damage history etc)? And also where it is located and a picture if possible.

I like the range and the fact it would fit a larger pilot. Crosswind handleing is a big plus as well.

My email is artgarden@on.aibn.com

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2004, 08:41:49 AM »
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3 Primary American Trainers of note?
From Britain, there was also the Chipmunk!

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2004, 08:45:45 AM »
Habu,

My brother will be in contact via E-mail shortly. I'm down here in Houston doing this kidney thing. You might as well talk directly to him.

Worst you'll do out of this is get a fun ride in a great airplane, even if you decide not to buy it. I think though if you fly a Fairchild and then a Stearman... you'll lose interest in Stearmans.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2004, 08:51:01 AM »
Thanks Toad.

Good luck with the treatment. I know it will go well for you.

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2004, 08:55:31 AM »
I most certainly should have said " WW2 AMERICAN Primary Trainers.

The Tiger Moth is nice but pretty underpowered from what I've heard. The Bücker Bü-133 Jungmeister is a great, fun airplane. I had a buddy that owned one of the few in the US for a while. Parts are a real problem though and it is another small airplane with a real small cockpit.

Chipmunks are great airplanes too. But it wasn't really a ww2 trainer. It first flew in 1946.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2004, 08:59:38 AM »
There is a flying Tiger Moth and club located at Collingwood airport north of Toronto. I have a hanger there as well and see it flying all the time. I have never asked what they charge for a ride or sat in it, but it is a really cool airplane to watch.

It is small and low powered and reminds me of an ultralight in many ways. Perhaps next summer I will go up for a ride.

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2004, 09:02:10 AM »
BTW, Beet.. I so enjoy the way you dance so semantically when you are wrong that I must point out one other thing.

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The de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk


The Chipmunk is a Canadian designed aircraft, not British per se.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2004, 09:12:02 AM »
Gee, Habu... didn't realize you were Canadian.

He also has a Fairchild PT-26 in Canadian paint. A lot of your boys trained in Fairchilds for the big one. My dad flies the -26; he's old and the canopy makes for a longer flying season in cold places like Lincoln, NE and Canada. Otherwise, it's the same airplane.

It looks about like this.

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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2004, 09:51:32 AM »
Your link is bad, you did not copy the whole address.

Yes I live north of Toronto but do not worry if I bought the plane I would probably fly it to the US quite a bit for Oshkosh and such. And you would always be welcome to come up here to go flying.

I own a 40 by 60 heated hanger and currently have a trike and a 182. I always wanted a warbird to fly to shows and generally just keep polished and preserved.

Funny you mention the Chipmunk. There is one at Buttonville airport that is immaculate. The guy is keeping it outside so I am going to approach him about storeing it in my hanger over the winter.

I was at a paint shop at Oshawa airport (these are all around Toronto) on Wednesday and saw a Harvard that they had just about finished restoring. It had its side pannels off and looked amazing.

I should start to carry my digital camera around and take pictures of these things and post them here.

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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2004, 10:25:14 AM »
My link?Or Beet's? I'm seeing the Canadian PT-26 drawing in the thread.
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2004, 10:35:20 AM »
Your link Toad. It is just a red box. You other picture came out fine in the earlier post though.

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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2004, 10:52:58 AM »
Hmmm... shows up in my thread and the link looks complete.

Here's a different one then:




A good shot of the insides of one:




Old B/W shot



One at a Canadian museum with the outer wing panel off

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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2004, 01:02:50 PM »
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From Britain, there was also the Chipmunk!


As toad has already said, the chipmunk was a little later.  Were you thinking of the Miles Master?

http://www.miles-aircraft.com/M.9a_and_m.24_master.html

That was the more advanced trainer (i think) rather than a primary.
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