Bogus....

[humble]

Originally posted by Karnak
humble,

The BS whine part and your demonstrated "low wattage" in this case were yours claims that buff guns autoconverge when they do not and that buff guns are up powered, "x10 power" is how you put it and they are not.


In otherwords you buy into a couple of false myths and go on a rant about these things that don't happen being the reason you got shot down.

Given that they do not happen they obviously didn't play a part in you getting shot down.

I suggest you look for reasons elsewhere.

Are you sure they are false?

I'm not complaining that I got shot down...

I'm complaining about the circumstances that forced me to engage. I'll give you a different example, yesterday morning I took my morning hop...encountered and killed a couple of cons. Was over an enemy field and noticed a spitty upping...also had a friendly engaged low with a P-51 away from the field...asked him if he was OK and he said no and asked for me to engage...I left the spitty alone and engaged and killed the pony and got killed by the spitty....perfectly fine game play...I could of bounced the spit then cleaned up the low slow pony and taken my four pelts home...or do what I did and take my chances with the spitty. Simple choice to make...I made the one I make every time.

I'm complaining about the fact that I'm forced to make a choice here that I dont consider valid. The spitty didnt "game the game" and if he wasnt a good stick I'd of killed him even with the advantage I gave him...and he got a GK not a whine afterward.

I'm simply voicing a complaint regarding game play here, agree or disagree. Why attack me for the complaint or twist things out of context?

[Pongo]

Humble.
They can be frustrating but unless they bounce you at landing they are not dangerous.
I would sugest you use up some perk points on a hog C..it really really is fun to wade into some of 0 ft buffs in a hog C.
I would also sugest you try a sorti on the deck on buffs and see how invulnerable you feel. I will aggree that the chance for an almost random death is very high fighting them and that is the kind of thing that bumbs out many game vets but really they are near helpless against a hog c.  When they have to manuver over features and try to keep in formation with 800 rounds of hizooka to make em pay it is fantastic. When those bombers wing up and give you a full plane form at 300 yards you can just light up the whole thing...man its heaven.. the real trick is to hurt all three as soon as possible so that you will get credit for the kills when the lead get blown up in a hard turn and the drones auger.

When they are on the deck over water. Its no harder, same plane but you light up a patch of water in front of them..you know they are flying through it. With a front diving shot you will not likley be hurt but he will.

I think its dweeby too. But the bomber is way more effective and deadly at alt then it is on the deck.

[DoKGonZo]

NOE formations is just assinine. End of story.

It allows one player to soak up 2 or 3 fighters worth of CAP - and forces the defenders to engage because of the high risk of all FH's being downed by 1 player in 1 pass.


Having the formation detach below some altitude would be tough because it'd have to be based on some kind of timer - to allow climb out, etc. ... so it could be gamed.

But if formation drones (a) didn't fire defensive guns and (b) were made more fragile when they were below 2500 ft AGL ... then it gets interesting. An NOE formation is basically handing over 2 free kills as the drones should die as quick as Zekes, and it only has the defensive gunnery of the lead ship - so it can't be a mobile AAA battery. As long as the formation stays above 2500 AGL, they get all their goodies.

[slimm50]

Originally posted by humble
Vs just letting the buffs take out all three FH's slimm???

Well, in light of that, I recant my earlier statement, if I may. Instead, it looks like a truly heroic act on your part, to dive down in the face of certain death to save your base. Truly, I salute your effort.

[humble]

hehe...I'm not whinning...I'm complaining:)....

if some guy wants to park his buff 20 ft over the water and think...gee how many dorks gonna be dumb enough to come down and play thats fine...no diff than putting M-16 in tree line and watching carnage (saw that last night:))....simply tweaked about the choices I was handed....I've let em go before and it seems like the probability of losing the FH is awful high on the small fields. So now if my number comes up I engage em...


Pongo...

I flew the -1 hog last tour as my primary fighter. Even the 6 x 50's give you a decent chance at longer ranges...the Ki-61 ballistics force you in close...the 20mm fire so fast you cant spray....basically cant open up till inside 300. With the poor ballistics firing under high G load wont work either so you cant "swoop em"...basically I drove in 90 to buffs....chopped and skidded and opened up at ~200 or so got flashes then 1st ping got oil wing tip and pilot wound....

Buffs were on final to "our" base on FH line....no other friendlies in position to engage that I saw....

[hitech]

Now you have my dandruff up.

Actually HT has verified the multiplier....unless it was altered when buffs went to "formation" it still exists...

Buffs have never had a multiplier, I have never implied they did, in fact every time some one comes up saying they do , I describe exatly why it feels like they do when shooting from the rear.


I repeat again the buff guns are no different than any other gun of the same type. Does that make it clear enough humble.


HiTech

[Zanth]

A kill has been recorded.

[EN4CER]

If your going to attack a formation of bombers in that situation (Basically you are rolling the dice ), in my opinion, attack with a lot of E from their 2 o'clock or 10 o'clock and AIM FOR THE COCKPIT

hehe...I'm not whinning...I'm complaining

Didn't know there was a distinct difference.  Did they offer you any Cheese with your Whine?  Just Teasing.

[humble]

Originally posted by hitech
Now you have my dandruff up.

 


Buffs have never had a multiplier, I have never implied they did, in fact every time some one comes up saying they do , I describe exatly why it feels like they do when shooting from the rear.


I repeat again the buff guns are no different than any other gun of the same type. Does that make it clear enough humble.


HiTech

Yup...

BTW head and shoulders great for dandruff....

Thanks for your reply on other thread.

[humble]

Originally posted by EN4CER
If your going to attack a formation of bombers in that situation (Basically you are rolling the dice ), in my opinion, attack with a lot of E from their 2 o'clock or 10 o'clock and AIM FOR THE COCKPIT

hehe...I'm not whinning...I'm complaining

Didn't know there was a distinct difference.  Did they offer you any Cheese with your Whine?  Just Teasing.

Took this from other thread on a couple of clips I put up on training forum...

not sure if its on clip but while I'm pissing and moaning I get lit up...just a reminder that the game doesnt stop cause you get a bad break

To me a whine is just that @#$%# about "normal" gameplay. A "complaint" is an objection to a fundemental aspect of the game. I'll use Karnaks (and my) various "complaints" about the K1-84. Top speed is a whine....I think HT & Pyro went out of there way to document and justify how they got to that aspect of the planes performance. Now the rollrate is more of a complaint...the plane simply doesnt handle as well as various accounts would lead you to believe it should. To me there is a difference....

Now my "complaint" is ultra low level bombing of tactical targets by hvy bombers. HT certainly cleared up 1element specific to gunnery modeling which might help survivability (mine) in future. I still feel that bombing below ~800 ft or so in a hvy buff is unrealistic and impedes "fair" gameplay...that simple.

[DoKGonZo]

HT,

You get so many "perception" based complaints on gunnery ... "these guns don't kill" ... "those planes don't die" ... and so on.

Maybe this in the game already and I haven't found it, but if we could pick the plane type of drone when offline then it'd be easier for players to go offline and see that things kill and die as they should - without the unknowns of net lag, slow connects, and so on getting in the way.

Likewise if there were GV's of each type parked out on a "firing range" that we could strafe or fire on.

[Muddie]

Actually they did.  Ploesti.  Didn't work out real well though.

 

Originally posted by humble
Just died again to a buff on "final" so low over the water you couldnt even see the icon. I can tell you right now that when (not if) I quit this game for last time (I promise:)) this will be why.

Heres a dweeb (all low level buffers are spineless dweebs period) on auto with a perfect gun platform at 15 ft who can light up all comers with his "turbo" powered 50 cals (still x10 "power" if I recall). No buff formation would fly at this level. I think that "drones should be reconfigured so that they "detach" and land immediatly once you go below 2500 ft (above ground) also multiplier should be disabled below that level as well....

[Arlo]

Originally posted by humble
Are you sure they are false?

And the other shoe sounds like this when dropped:

Doug "Pyro" Balmos informed us some time back:
Version 2.00 Patch 8

Patch 8 Changes
======================

Radar circles now turn red if the radar is destroyed.

Planes can now operate WEP without RPM having to be maxed.

Fixed a bug that was causing planes not to collide with other planes correctly.

Fixed a bug that was causing a corrupted display in the hangar list.

Bomber and bomber formation guns now converge at 500 yards instead of 1000.

Base icons should now flash or not flash correctly when you first enter the arena.

Fixed a bug that was causing base radar to still function when destroyed.

Added a new country balancer that disables available planes based on country number imbalances and plane ENY values.

NOTE: Values for this system may change as the
system is optimized.

You now get a message box on login when your account is out of balance.

Adjusted combat trim settings on the P-51D and P-51B.

Fixed a bug that caused the Ju 88 to lose power at 30k.

Made changes to the armor penetration model. Small caliber weapons (20mm and below) have less penetration. Fixed a problem with HE munitions that was giving them too much armor penetration from proximity hits.

[ghostdancer]

At lunch I checked the arena settings avaible to CMs and offline to everyone.

There is GroundGun Lethality (affects AA) and PlaneLethality. So you can change the lethality of the weapons for planes. However, this changes the lethality for all planes both fighter and bomber.

So if you change it to say a lethality of 0.5 that means the guns on every plane and every bomber of all types is reduced.

[humble]

No "other shoe" involved...

I posted a seperate thread just to make sure I did get the facts right and appreciate HT taking a moment to put his dandruff back down and clarify things for me. Personally I'm looking forward to seeing those NOE buff runs in one of the scenarios...