Diff. between Smart Flyin and Sellfish Flyin

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by dedalos
I think Vudak got it right.

Kermit, before I can give you a good answer I need you to define running for me.  Lets say I have alt on you and after a few minutes of BnZ I don;t have the advatage any more.  We are co alt and e and you are d800 behind me.  At what point does it become running now

a) we both in the same plane so you are not going to close and I am not going to extent.  We are stuck at d800.

b) I am a little bit faster and will eventualy be able to extend but it will take 10 mins to get out to 2K

c) ok, thats easy, I am in a lala and extent to what ever distance I feel confortable.

d) I run just long enough to get you in to other friendlies.

Just for arguing the point lets say that you are in a spit 9, and I already know you are good, since I could not kill you for 10 minutes with the advantage.

How many of the above cases is considered running?

e) All of the above ...

[Morpheus]

Sweet Kermit!

Well at the very least here, you have learned how to write the perfect post. Or have found those who can surely help you.

All of the above posters are indeed, perfect... In every way.

[kj714]

Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Sweet Kermit!

Well at the very least here, you have learned how to write the perfect post. Or have found those who can surely help you.

All of the above posters are indeed, perfect... In every way.

Why, thank you, Morph, where should I send the Xmas card ?

[RedTop]

Hi Morph,

After the last few weeks , and especially the last few days , I understand now why your not flying.

Acetnt ,

I understood your post. When you get it figured out , I would like you to explain it to me.

[detch01]

What I've been able to gather on these boards and listending to ch200 in the MA is simply this:  "timid" means anyone who doesn't play the way the person applying the label wants them to play; and, "smart" is the label these same people apply to their own way of playing the game.
As for playing for score/rank: People will play the game to achieve their own goals. If being ranked among the "best" in the game according to the score board is what their after, more power to them. If their goals are something else in the game, more power to them too.
The labelling game is a trap that only reduces the fun of the game for those who fall into it.  It's a vicious circle for these people and really just indicates their own inability (or unwillingness) to handle the play styles of others.

[mars01]

Timid flyers fly away from you and ho alot.

Smart Flyers engage when they have the advantages and don't take many if any risks.

I don't fly either way lol.

Last night was a great example, I was in an F4U going to kill the ack at a field, cause there were so many great fights to be had, .

So luckly a 51 ups, I had two choices.  Climb and boom and zoom the guy thus getting the easy kill or stay in range and agressively fight.  

The first thing I thought was, well if I climb and BnZ that sucks for the guy I am fighting and I get enough of that as it is.  So I commenced trying to e fight with the 51.  As it turned out the fight lasted a good five mins, climbing, turning, edge of my seat, each one getting close but never getting a definitive six shot.  Upon one of my extensions, never more than 1 to 1.5k,  after checking my six I saw distance 800, turns out his front end it was distance 200 (cant explain that one) and I blew up.

So I returned and up comes a 51, I do the same thing, but I noticed a lot more Ho attempts and it was an easy kill.  I guess the first guy had enough the first time cause this was a different guy.  So I extend away from the base to let the new guy up for another fight.  I notice, hmmm he upped a hurricane this time, guess he needs to fight a hog with a turn fighter, so ok this will still be fun and a challenge, first pass hurri boy goes for the Ho gets a lucky shot game over.  Why in a 1 v1 situation would this guy ho?  ! reason Timid, radish loser afraid to get into a real fight.

The smart flyer would never have flown this way and given up the height advantage.  The timid flyers would have never upped.

[Redd]

Originally posted by dedalos
I think Vudak got it right.

Kermit, before I can give you a good answer I need you to define running for me.  Lets say I have alt on you and after a few minutes of BnZ I don;t have the advatage any more.  We are co alt and e and you are d800 behind me.  At what point does it become running now

a) we both in the same plane so you are not going to close and I am not going to extent.  We are stuck at d800.



why would you fight a same plane 1 on 1 when you can run for safety , join 90 % of the arena and run.




b) I am a little bit faster and will eventualy be able to extend but it will take 10 mins to get out to 2K



yes extend for at least 10 minutes , or until the other guy runs out of gas , or falls asleep at the stick.



c) ok, thats easy, I am in a lala and extent to what ever distance I feel confortable.

yes , lala doctrine requires that you extend to at least 5k , reverse HO, repeat


That is unless at least 3 friendlies show up, you can then reduce the extension to say ...3.5K for safety



d) I run just long enough to get you in to other friendlies.

make sure you get to enough friendies, you can't just trust one or 3 guys.  Make sure you are within range of at least 10 before you reverse






Just for arguing the point lets say that you are in a spit 9, and I already know you are good, since I could not kill you for 10 minutes with the advantage.


 Never try to fight anyone good, it can only lead down the path to improvement




How many of the above cases is considered running?

[Kermit de frog]

acetnt367th, I feel the same way.


I agree with you Kj about the way you choose to fly.

dedalos, you are getting to detailed for me.  Just use some common sense and figure it out for yourself.  

Mars, it's nice to know others fly the way you choose to fly.  I'll fly the same sometimes.

detch01, you said
"The labelling game is a trap that only reduces the fun of the game for those who fall into it. It's a vicious circle for these people and really just indicates their own inability (or unwillingness) to handle the play styles of others."
That's not what I'm trying to do here.  I'm trying to make it fully aware to others on things that make game play worse.
I am starting to agree on the stuff you said prior to this quote though.

I've noticed that sometimes, everyone including I, will find ourselves running at one point to help set up a shot for another fellow squad mate, or because, you just feel like going back to base to land your 10 kills and don't want to lose it to some zeke or the guy just wants to bnz you to death, so you just wanna runaway.

I believe I've said my point already, so I hope people can at least understand the point of this thread

[1K0N]

Smart flying= No beers
Selfish flying =2 beers and a shot of jack...

[DREDIOCK]

I fly the 190.
Sometimes I will run. And Im not ashamed to say so either.

I am NOT going to get into an extended turnfight with a plane like the dweebfire or a The KI-84.
To do so is nothing more then outright stupidity

I'll go a few turns with them yea. But as soon as I realise that to continue doing so is only gonna get me killed I'm hitting the afterburners and Im gone baby.

If only to get enough distance between us to allow me to rebuild my E and turn back and fight some more.

Want me to stay around and fight. Stop chasing me

[wrag]

Some have CONNECTION issues.

Ping is right at 240 but gettin severe packet loss as high as 50% through 3 or 4 hops in the route sometimes.

Savvis.net

But lately at odd times the net seems to go wild.

Example.  I'm flyin in the MA and I dive in and really light up a con.

Sometimes the con just blows up or many parts fall off, BUT other times same amount of hits and NOTHING or very little damage!   WORSE sometime the con warps or jumps soon as I fire.  Or looks like the con has NO shot, his nose is pointed 20 to 40 degrees off me and BANG I'm HIT!  No tracers until I'm HIT, then all around me tracers!

After a few minutes to maybe 1/2 hour of this I log and check connect with pingplotter and the hops are jumping and changing all over the place!  Packet loss is wildly fluctuationg and gets as high as 100%

So I tend to extend allot because I can NOT trust what I see.

This started about 3 to 4 patches ago for me.  Been going on for maybe a month now.

[detch01]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog

That's not what I'm trying to do here.  I'm trying to make it fully aware to others on things that make game play worse.
I am starting to agree on the stuff you said prior to this quote though.
 

Didn't mean that to sound accusatory, it was just an observation on one of the real causes of the "worse game play" in AH. It's been my experience that getting successfully by this trap makes the game experience better, at least it's been that way for me.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by 1K0N
Smart flying= No beers
Selfish flying =2 beers and a shot of jack...

We have a winner folks!

Add it to the HTC dictionary!