Author Topic: JS-Series Heavy Tanks? (Read 1175 times)

Jester · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2004, 01:43:38 PM »

Jumbo or Firefly Sherman first.

Another nice toy would be a 75mm gun "add on" for our M3 Halftrack.

Angus · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2004, 02:33:13 PM »

So the major success of allied air assaults on tanks would have been with damage and supplies.
Damage a tanks just enough to stop it where it is, - if it does not get supplies it is out. Even burned by the crew?

indy007 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2004, 02:57:42 PM »

imho, the best addition right now would be a M4A3 with the 105mm howitzer. In very strict game terms, it would give us 4 options overall. The heavily armoured T-34, the well balanced Panzer IV, the perk'd Tiger I, and the M4A3 would fill the gap with a lighter armored tank with a pretty big gun. iirc, the 105mm was good even against King Tigers.

I don't agree with throwing in the JS series or anything yet. I think there's alot of great tanks, tank destroyers, self-propelled guns, and medium tanks that would go a long way to improving the ground game. Why go through the effort of making something similar to the Tiger, when there's a whole slew of untapped resources?

Now, on a quick second to digress into the realms of insanity... you can keep your JS series tanks. You can keep your Tigers & Panthers. Give me a Maus! 128mm main gun, and 75mm "coax". No, wait. Too small. Ahh, here we go, the P1000 "Ratte" design. Two 280mm main guns taken from a Graf Spee battlecruiser turret with the center gun removed, a single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 AA guns, and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 guns... Doh, still not big enough. Ahh, here we go, the P1500. 250mm front armor, 800mm super heavy mortar, with two, small, 150mm backup guns, & 2-4 U-Boat engines to drive it. Man, Grote was definately off his rocker... but those are just freakin' awesome. Thank God none were ever built.

And I checked all those numbers to make sure I didn't mistype anything. Yes, 800mm.

sullie363 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2004, 04:48:20 PM »

Pershing tank baby, all the way.

Flyboy · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2004, 05:10:02 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
imho, the best addition right now would be a M4A3 with the 105mm howitzer. In very strict game terms, it would give us 4 options overall. The heavily armoured T-34, the well balanced Panzer IV, the perk'd Tiger I, and the M4A3 would fill the gap with a lighter armored tank with a pretty big gun. iirc, the 105mm was good even against King Tigers.

I don't agree with throwing in the JS series or anything yet. I think there's alot of great tanks, tank destroyers, self-propelled guns, and medium tanks that would go a long way to improving the ground game. Why go through the effort of making something similar to the Tiger, when there's a whole slew of untapped resources?

Now, on a quick second to digress into the realms of insanity... you can keep your JS series tanks. You can keep your Tigers & Panthers. Give me a Maus! 128mm main gun, and 75mm "coax". No, wait. Too small. Ahh, here we go, the P1000 "Ratte" design. Two 280mm main guns taken from a Graf Spee battlecruiser turret with the center gun removed, a single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 AA guns, and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 guns... Doh, still not big enough. Ahh, here we go, the P1500. 250mm front armor, 800mm super heavy mortar, with two, small, 150mm backup guns, & 2-4 U-Boat engines to drive it. Man, Grote was definately off his rocker... but those are just freakin' awesome. Thank God none were ever built.

And I checked all those numbers to make sure I didn't mistype anything. Yes, 800mm.

this is sick, kinda make me think of the "mammoth" tank in "Red Alert"

Jester · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:23:49 AM »

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Originally posted by indy007
Now, on a quick second to digress into the realms of insanity... you can keep your JS series tanks. You can keep your Tigers & Panthers. Give me a Maus! 128mm main gun, and 75mm "coax". No, wait. Too small. Ahh, here we go, the P1000 "Ratte" design. Two 280mm main guns taken from a Graf Spee battlecruiser turret with the center gun removed, a single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 AA guns, and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 guns... Doh, still not big enough. Ahh, here we go, the P1500. 250mm front armor, 800mm super heavy mortar, with two, small, 150mm backup guns, & 2-4 U-Boat engines to drive it. Man, Grote was definately off his rocker... but those are just freakin' awesome. Thank God none were ever built.

And I checked all those numbers to make sure I didn't mistype anything. Yes, 800mm.

Most likely even if they would have been built they would have been tactically useless.
If you remember that there wasn't a bridge "anywhere" in Europe at the time that they could cross and alot of the rivers and streams couldn't have been forded.
They were pretty much stuck at the factory if they were built. Also with Allied Air Superiority - they wouldn't have lasted long.

indy007 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2004, 08:27:45 AM »

Didn't say they woulda been useful in reality.

However, we don't have reality. We have the MA. In the MA, they would be cool once or twice.

And Porsche really did build the Maus. Well, 2 prototypes at least. They were supposed to be destroyed as they Wehrmacht was pushed back to Berlin. Rumor has it though that a Maus (not sure if it's the V1 or V2) is on display at a museum outside of Moscow.

Neubob · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2004, 10:35:22 AM »

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Originally posted by indy007
Now, on a quick second to digress into the realms of insanity... you can keep your JS series tanks. You can keep your Tigers & Panthers. Give me a Maus! 128mm main gun, and 75mm "coax". No, wait. Too small. Ahh, here we go, the P1000 "Ratte" design. Two 280mm main guns taken from a Graf Spee battlecruiser turret with the center gun removed, a single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 AA guns, and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 guns... Doh, still not big enough. Ahh, here we go, the P1500. 250mm front armor, 800mm super heavy mortar, with two, small, 150mm backup guns, & 2-4 U-Boat engines to drive it. Man, Grote was definately off his rocker... but those are just freakin' awesome. Thank God none were ever built.

And I checked all those numbers to make sure I didn't mistype anything. Yes, 800mm.

Funny how a couple modern tanks would make short work of any of these monstrocities without breaking a sweat.

Kurfürst · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2004, 01:27:10 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007

And Porsche really did build the Maus. Well, 2 prototypes at least. They were supposed to be destroyed as they Wehrmacht was pushed back to Berlin. Rumor has it though that a Maus (not sure if it's the V1 or V2) is on display at a museum outside of Moscow.

...And you actually give any credit to such rumors? Bah...

rshubert · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2004, 02:50:33 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
imho, the best addition right now would be a M4A3 with the 105mm howitzer. In very strict game terms, it would give us 4 options overall. The heavily armoured T-34, the well balanced Panzer IV, the perk'd Tiger I, and the M4A3 would fill the gap with a lighter armored tank with a pretty big gun. iirc, the 105mm was good even against King Tigers.

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As I recall, the 105 on the sherman was a HOWITZER, with a relatively low muzzle velocity. It was intended purely for infantry support. Something like one out of four shermans were produced with the howitzer turret.

I love shermans, and want one. But, the only way that thing would hurt a tiger would be to drop a round in on the top. Or maybe drop the tank on the top of the tiger from altitude.

~~shubie~~