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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2004, 01:00:32 PM »
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maybe you should read the geneva conventions.

and it's "conventions", with a "S", it means "rules"


JFYI: Geneva convention is a document. Without "S".

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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2004, 01:10:03 PM »
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Try to imagine being in a situation where your life is so tenuous it could be extinguished in a moment.  


I feel sorry for them, lots of them are going to come back basket-cases.

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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2004, 01:36:55 PM »
Getting past the Kerrybushmcqueen bashing and back to the subject... These guys have been close fighting for over 30 hours without sleep. I can only have my own opinions from what I hear from the news.

War is hell, the news media is right there along side of these guys ( and gals) fighting. NEVER have we've seen war footage that is close up and personal every step of the way. We will see the good and bad of the war. I'm certain WW2 had more atrocities, but the lack of the media at that time never brought this to light.

These soldiers have come across dead bodies booby trapped, and this soldier they speak about was shot in the face the day earlier. They didn't know the exact facts of what/where/who fighting took place at that place earlier in the day. With all this confusion and mayhem I personally could see why he reacted in the way he did. I'm not sure under the same circumstances I would of reacted differently. I hope I would have the compassion to react differently, but I'm sure if 100 people WERE to be in the same circumstance you would have 50 different outcomes.

I am not passing judgement pro or con on this soldier, Nor do I want to play "monday morning quarterback" these are normal people put in horrible positions during war. It is sad they are there. War is horrible, for both sides.

With every step these soldiers don't know what lies around the corner, could be boobytrapped, could be an old lady strapped with explosives. It's hard enought to fight a war were you can't SEE the enemy, let alone having a camera following your every move, to ensure you "fight fair" within moral and legal "Rules". This is a war unlike all wars. The standard "Rules" of war went out the window long before we arrived. Firing gernades from a "church" sending human bombs into crowds, where are the rules????

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2004, 02:41:50 PM »
I didn't know that mcqueen was a junkie.   He still if one of the coolest actors we ever had..  I find it hard to believe that he couldn't drive that Mustang in the movie since he was an accomplished race car driver and mororcyclist.   It is possible that some of the stunts were over his ability tho.

as for the topic...  play ded and get shot in the head.    You want to blame someone...  blame the brilliant "freedo fighter" who thought up that tactic.    It's a war... if the guy told me he thought the wounded guy was a danger then that is damn well good enough for me..... especially considering the history of the war criminals he is fighting.

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2004, 05:09:10 PM »
Well SOB who IS your meaniness directed to? At least have the confidence in your post to identify who you are addressing.
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Re: Re: WOW I'm Surprised
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2004, 05:20:59 PM »
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I hate idiots who post stuff like this...



No posts from the "Amerihaters" so you have to post it?

LOOOL!

As for my opinion on the topic :



I agree with him.


sorry you hate posts like this maniac but I was completly shocked that it took almost 45 minutes after this post to start comparing our troops to Nazi SS killing machines.

Even I made the post 30 minutes after the video hit most networks.

If you don't like posts like this simply don't read them.

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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2004, 06:03:51 PM »
Some of you people have no idea what it is like in these situations and should not be so quick to judge. Your opinions are more or less worthless. If you really think you'd be making well thought-out, rational decisions after many hours of combat in tight quarters you are seriously kidding yourselves. These guys are working on training and guts. I'm all for holding our troops to a standard, but **** happens in the heat of battle. Don't blame the guy who shot them, blame the unit that let these wounded guys sit there for day.

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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2004, 06:27:34 PM »
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I didn't know that mcqueen was a junkie.   He still if one of the coolest actors we ever had..  I find it hard to believe that he couldn't drive that Mustang in the movie since he was an accomplished race car driver and mororcyclist.   It is possible that some of the stunts were over his ability tho.
Peter Yates said in an interview that McQueen hounded him to let him drive. In the first shot (and the only one to make the movie) McQueen oversteered the car and spun out almost taking out the camera crew. It did make for a nice unplanned close-up of McQueen. The rest of the chase was driven by Bud Ekins.

Now, back to the subject. After watching the evening news I'm afraid this may become a catalyst for more insurgents and anti-americanism. Al-Jazeera is supposedly running the video repeatedly and highlighting movement and blood stains on the now dead unarmed man. I hate that this happened, especially since there seemed to be international and internal Iraqi support for our troops cleaning out Fallujah. This is a lose / lose situation. As I said before, if I were in the Marine's boots I may have done the exact same thing.
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2004, 06:33:08 PM »
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Well SOB who IS your meaniness directed to? At least have the confidence in your post to identify who you are addressing.

Gunslinger, Dago, & John.  If you can't figure out why, then there's really no point in discussing it with you.
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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2004, 06:36:47 PM »
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Gunslinger, Dago, & John.  If you can't figure out why, then there's really no point in discussing it with you.


Why what?  What is the question here?

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2004, 06:40:02 PM »
Why the Virgin Mary has appeared in my grilled cheese sammich.
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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2004, 06:53:50 PM »
Owe, I am so wounded.  Luckily, I still have Kerrys defeat to cheer me up and prevent depression.  :rofl

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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2004, 07:02:21 PM »
No one has listened Raub.  And you would know of all people. Sad isn't it?

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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2004, 07:09:03 PM »
Well, I have not seen the video, but if I was in his shoes, I would shoot first and ask questions later. Damn me if you want, but I want to come home alive. Walk a mile in his shoes before you pass judgement.
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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2004, 07:47:50 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
I didn't know that mcqueen was a junkie.   He still if one of the coolest actors we ever had..  I find it hard to believe that he couldn't drive that Mustang in the movie since he was an accomplished race car driver and mororcyclist.   It is possible that some of the stunts were over his ability tho.

as for the topic...  play ded and get shot in the head.    You want to blame someone...  blame the brilliant "freedo fighter" who thought up that tactic.    It's a war... if the guy told me he thought the wounded guy was a danger then that is damn well good enough for me..... especially considering the history of the war criminals he is fighting.

lazs


Steve Mcqueen... with you all the way. Herion is irrelevant; he was cool. Hell; herion is cool if you're man enough to take it.

As for how Imperial forces should behave; well, I think you, Beetle, Eagler and I could all agree about that.

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