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Offline Vulcan

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« on: November 15, 2004, 05:44:21 PM »
Pirated software used to create help content in Microsoft's Windows XP

By Wolfgang Gruener, Senior Editor

November 15, 2004 - 13:54 EST

Chicago (IL) - Members of a former software cracking group have discovered that audio files created with one of its cracked programs are distributed with each copy of the Windows XP operating system, possibly exposing Microsoft to a large-scale copyright infringement lawsuit.

The content in question can be found on every computer with Windows XP as operating system installed. Nine WAV audio files located in the folder " "Help\Tours\WindowsMediaPlayer\Audio\Wav" in the Windows installation directory include a signature of "Deepz0ne", a member of former cracking group "Radium". If the files are opened not with an audio player, but with a HEX editor or simply in Windows' own text editor Notepad, the last line displays as "000-04-06 IENG Deepz0ne ISFT Sound Forge 4.5".

 
A source confirmed to Tom's Hardware Guide, that the signature is "authentic for the cracked version of Sound Forge 4.5" and relates to the cracker Deepz0ne. "The Radium group has been dissolved about four years ago, but still meets every week in a casual manner," the source said. "One of the members circulated the information at a birthday part last weekend and then pitched the story apparently to Germany's PC Welt magazine," he said. PC Welt published the story the same day.

 Sound Forge is a professional audio editing software popular among audio enthusiasts. Sony recently has purchased the intellectual property of the product from Sonic Foundry, which developed and sold version 4.5.

According to Benjamin Kern, attorney at Chicago-based law firm Gordon & Glickson LLC, the use of a pirated version of Sound Forge can result in a copyright infringement claim: "Other legal issues, such as patent infringement, trade secret misappropriation and contract breach may also be relevant, but copyright infringement is the most prominent," Kern said. It is unclear at this time, if the current owner Sony or the orginal developer Sound Forge have the right to bring legal action against Microsoft.

When software is transferred from one party to another, the transfer agreement often also includes the transfer of a right to bring an action for infringement, according to Kern. "In this case, if Sound Forge transferred its copyright in the software to Sony, it is not clear whether Sound Forge or Sony owned the copyright at the time the infringement was committed," Kern said.

At this time, liability also appears to be unclear. "Ultimate financial responsibility depends on whether a copyrighted work was provided to Microsoft by a third party, who may be responsible to Microsoft, by contract or otherwise, for any liability Microsoft could face," Kern explained.

Potential remedies for a copyright infringement include actual damages plus profits of the infringer, or set statutory damages. Given the profits Microsoft rakes in with Windows XP, even a small percentage of the profits could result in an unexpected windfall for Sony.

Sony and the Business Software Alliance were contacted by Tom's Hardware Guide but so far have not yet responded to the accusations. Microsoft declined to comment "at this time".

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 07:46:53 PM »
thats actually pretty big news, suprised it's not getting more coverage if it is true.

MS proven to having stole something. oopsy on them. get out the gigantic checkbook.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 07:59:15 PM »
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Originally posted by JB73
thats actually pretty big news, suprised it's not getting more coverage if it is true.

MS proven to having stole something. oopsy on them. get out the gigantic checkbook.



tis true, I've checked 5 pc's so far :)

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2004, 10:55:00 PM »
Gosh, and you'd think the pirating of windows (GEM) would have been enough.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2004, 11:13:53 PM »
Guess what I found:
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 04:47:16 AM »
I've checked several pirated installations of windows. It is true and MS are just a bunch of filthy thieves.

This is BS.

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 05:36:55 AM »
OMG!   Gates benefiting from a hacker club......   LMAO!

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AN OPEN LETTER TO HOBBYISTS
By William Henry Gates III

February 3, 1976

An Open Letter to Hobbyists

To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will quality software be written for the hobby market?

Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the initial work took only two months, the three of us have spent most of the last year documenting, improving and adding features to BASIC. Now we have 4K, 8K, EXTENDED, ROM and DISK BASIC. The value of the computer time we have used exceeds $40,000.

The feedback we have gotten from the hundreds of people who say they are using BASIC has all been positive. Two surprising things are apparent, however, 1) Most of these "users" never bought BASIC (less than 10% of all Altair owners have bought BASIC), and 2) The amount of royalties we have received from sales to hobbyists makes the time spent on Altair BASIC worth less than $2 an hour.

Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?

Is this fair? One thing you don't do by stealing software is get back at MITS for some problem you may have had. MITS doesn't make money selling software. The royalty paid to us, the manual, the tape and the overhead make it a break-even operation. One thing you do do is prevent good software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The fact is, no one besides us has invested a lot of money in hobby software. We have written 6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL, but there is very little incentive to make this software available to hobbyists. Most directly, the thing you do is theft.

What about the guys who re-sell Altair BASIC, aren't they making money on hobby software? Yes, but those who have been reported to us may lose in the end. They are the ones who give hobbyists a bad name, and should be kicked out of any club meeting they show up at.

I would appreciate letters from any one who wants to pay up, or has a suggestion or comment. Just write to me at 1180 Alvarado SE, #114, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 87108. Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software.



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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 07:38:26 AM »
Ever notice how they crawl out of the woodwork to pound on success?

Microsoft, a company built by a drop out, represents pure Americana.....not a zero sum game, but opportunity for all willing to work for it.

Every time there is the hint of an issue, they line the pages of BBS to decry Microsoft.

I couldn't even read the whole article - I was falling asleep.  Talk about a NON-ISSUE!

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 08:13:04 AM »
it's kind of a case of 'the pot calling the kettle black'

or maybe you don't understand that ..... take a look at that old letter from Gates, get it?

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 10:20:07 AM »
Not surprised - Look at the History of Microsoft - Stole this - Stole that - grabbed disgruntled employees from Company X and created THIS but Company X calls it THAT.  I have tip my hat to Bill Gates.  He is one shrewd business man.

Feds will look the other way again on this one - don't want to disturb the economy.