Author Topic: Guess it wasn't photoshoped (Read 938 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** November 16, 2004, 12:55:49 AM »

Good old fashined american stfu...

NUKE · « **Reply #31 on:** November 16, 2004, 12:56:49 AM »

It's just a pic on the internet....so it HAS to be digitally altered in some way.

Montezuma · « **Reply #32 on:** November 16, 2004, 01:06:37 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
It's just a pic on the internet....

No, its an LA Times photo.

NUKE · « **Reply #33 on:** November 16, 2004, 01:25:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Montezuma
No, its an LA Times photo.

so how do you suppose you are able to see it on the internet? You think it may be digitized maybe?

Nash · « **Reply #34 on:** November 16, 2004, 01:31:49 AM »

I know what yer getting at Nuke... Whether film or digital, the picture still needs to make its way into a computer, and then formatted in such a way as to be distributable over then net.

But you don't have to mess up pictures in quite this same way to do that.

Digital camera, cheap bellybutton scanner, Photoshop image "enhancement"... something happened to the picture.

Mere 'digitizing' doesn't mean anything... because I could snag a decent picture, digitize it, and post it here and you wouldn't see that particular kind of crud.

NUKE · « **Reply #35 on:** November 16, 2004, 01:36:05 AM »

something happened to the pic, no doubt about it.... but something had to happen to the pic in order for us to see it on the internet.

There are many artifacts in the jpeg. The pic and the cig are real imho.

Nash · « **Reply #36 on:** November 16, 2004, 01:37:09 AM »

Damn.... nobody's debating that....

Fishu · « **Reply #37 on:** November 16, 2004, 03:35:53 AM »

They also photoshopped the smoke?

bozon · « **Reply #38 on:** November 16, 2004, 04:41:47 AM »

once the wars were in the name of Jesus/Alla/others,
then they were about kings personal issues,
then it was about idiology and forms of goverment,
these days it seems wars are fought for the media and the entertainment of the viewers at home.

Bozon

Saintaw · « **Reply #39 on:** November 16, 2004, 04:49:21 AM »

It wasn't a marlboro the guy had in his mouth, 't was a joint... that's why they photoshoped it. Well.... that's my theory

TweetyBird · « **Reply #40 on:** November 17, 2004, 07:25:59 PM »

>>Tweety said the pic was originally a bitmap..... I never saw a bitmap of it.
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It was manipulated in bitmap format. Certain tools (like the airbrush or smudge tool in photoshop) leave distinctive finger prints because they are mathematicaly perfect in dispersion from the center of the tool, and nothing in nature is. Its a little involved unless you are familiar with the jpeg algorithm, but its possible to make very accurate guesses as to what a pixel looked like before being saved in jpeg (or any destructive algorithm, if the algorithm is known).

But I shouldn't have brought it up because I am not prepared to go into it here.

Disregard the previous posts. I think the image was retouched. Why? I have no clue.

jigsaw · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2004, 07:34:50 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Disregard the previous posts. I think the image was retouched. Why? I have no clue.

I'm by no means a PS expert, but my WAG is the cig looks dodged and over sharpened.

Maniac · « **Reply #42 on:** November 17, 2004, 07:41:43 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Maniac pretty much laid out his standard anti-USA conspiray theory view of why the photo would have been faked.

You were never so bold. Still I think its fair to say there was some motivation for your insistance that it was fake evwn after several of us stated much more plausible reasons involving various forms of overexposure to explain why the cigarette in the photo appeared as it did.

So I just put you in the same class as Maniac and his looney conspiracy theories for fun..

LoL!

Its all in YOUR mind Grun!

The whole debate was "why would anyone photoshop in a cigg in his mouth"

And i said : with it he look victorious, without it he look defeated.

The discussion was about WHY someone would do it, i never said someone DID it. I did however say that it looked photoshoped.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #43 on:** November 17, 2004, 08:03:36 PM »

And how does that criticize anything I said in the quoted statement about yoiu having a lonney consipracy theory as to why the pic might have been faked? You clearly said it might have been faked to make him look victorious instead of defeated.. That was your theory of why the photo could have been faked.. Wasnt it Maniac?

What exactly are you critizing here?

Talk about things being in your mind.. LOL

TweetyBird · « **Reply #44 on:** November 17, 2004, 11:29:49 PM »

Look where the cigarette touches the lips. On the left side of the cigarette, there is a wrinkle on the lip. Look at that wrinklle. Make a copy of it even. Then compare that wrinkle to others in the face.
Its tooled. For something that doesn't matter, its a lot of discussion. But I don't think press photos should be retouched for whatever reason.