Author Topic: WWII French Helmets (Read 1620 times)

deSelys · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2004, 05:25:29 AM »

Oops I forgot the cherry on the cake, Crumpp:

To get to Poland from France, you have to drive across Germany...this is maybe one reason why UK and french soldiers weren't there to help.

Geography isn't your strong point neither as it seems....I wonder why I'm not surprised.

Crumpp · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2004, 06:53:49 AM »

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FYI lend lease started in march 1941 after Pearl Harbour.

You know how to read a calender? Your claiming to be the big history major. Might want to learn to make a timeline first.

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_052600_lendleaseact.htm

It was passed way before Dec 7th 1941 and the Bill was drafted and the process begun to make it a US Law long before March 1941.

There was opposition to it as many Americans felt that the Europeans did not lift a finger to help the US out AND did not listen at the end of WWI. Quite a few folks thought that you reap what you sow. Wrong, Yes. That is why the opposition was defeated and the bill passed.

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I didn't know that the Flying Tigers were fighting in Poland and France. Any source? (besides the Flying Tigers were disguised as soldiers of fortune especially to avoid U.S. involvement in the China-Japan war)

Yes the Flying Tigers were a government backed way for the US to get involved without congress declaring war. Was not claiming they were in France. They were listed to refute your FALSE claim that the US stood by until attacked.

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If I agree that a lot of material help came from the U.S. during this period, some U.S. companies like Ford played a dubious game with the nazi Germany. IBM continued to sell/support the Hollerith machine (which helped to plan the industrial slaughter of the Jews) well beyond 1942.

So your contention is that the United States supplied Nazi Germany and not the allies. I am sure we can find no examples of European companies that continued to trade with Germany. In effect what we have is trickle of supplies from private companies who found a loophole compared to the flood of supplies sent to the Allies? And the men who died to get those supplies to them.

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My uncle was in Poland fighting

He should have been. He was Polish. So where were the French troops? I will correct this oversight in History and add them to the Order of Battle the Germans faced.

Gosh I see that the United States should have just stayed out of the whole thing. Europeans had it under control.

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it was due to the complete unpreparation/desorganisation of our army

Yep and why did that occur? Maybe because you felt "There will be Peace in Our Time?" Your reliance on a bankrupt policy of appeasement lead your country to disaster. It is not the United States fault, England, or any other countries but your own. Today you still have not learned this lesson.

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To get to Poland from France, you have to drive across Germany...this is maybe one reason why UK and french soldiers weren't there to help.

I wonder how successful Germany would have been invading Poland with French troops spilling across the German/French border? The Cherry on the cake....LOL

Crumpp

cpxxx · « **Reply #32 on:** November 18, 2004, 06:54:14 AM »

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Maybe "Lend Lease" rings a bell....

Bear in mind the lend part. The money had to be repaid. Britain is still making payments and apparently will continue to do so until 2014. Russia too repaid one third of what is due and was paying until 2001. . All the other countries had to repay too. So it was no giveaway. Capitalism at it's best.

Crumpp · « **Reply #33 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:04:28 AM »

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Bear in mind the lend part. The money had to be repaid. Britain is still making payments and apparently will continue to do so until 2014. Russia too repaid one third of what is due and was paying until 2001. . All the other countries had to repay too. So it was no giveaway. Capitalism at it's best.

You are right. It should have the "Bankrupt America Program" or perhaps "Welfare Nations of Europe". I would say economically the US did not profit inordinately at the Europeans expense if at all. The biggest benefit of lend lease for the US was the "leasing" of British Bases. The deal allowed European nations to be trading partners and not welfare recipients.

All in all a much better arrangement for everyone. Maybe European countries today think "something for nothing" is a good way to deal with friends, equals, and partners? Especially when they are the ones getting "something for nothing".

Crumpp

deSelys · « **Reply #34 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:07:49 AM »

OMG Crumpp you're really thick!

I know that march comes before december, thanks for pointing it anyway... However we're still in 1941 while the campaigns of Poland and France happened in 1939 and 1940. So your 'lend lease' example still doesn't hold out the water.

Flying Tigers were fighting in China....do you know how far it is from Europe? I don't remember Japan invading Poland at this time. So I don't quite understand how the Flying Tigers were opposing the german war effort.

I concede that you could misinterpret the last point, I wasn't clear. I should have written "If I agree that a lot of material help came from the U.S. during this period but at the same time, some U.S. companies like Ford played a dubious game with the nazi Germany..."

I never claimed to be an history major. You came foaming at the mouth and erroneously pushed forward historical events which didn't apply to the situation, spiced with petty attacks to top it off. Don't complain if your arrogant ignorance blew up in your face.

Crumpp · « **Reply #35 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:34:23 AM »

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Don't complain if your arrogant ignorance blew up in your face.

What color is the sky in your world?

Crumpp

straffo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:48:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
You know how to read a calender? Your claiming to be the big history major. Might want to learn to make a timeline first.

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_052600_lendleaseact.htm

It was passed way before Dec 7th 1941 and the Bill was drafted and the process begun to make it a US Law long before March 1941.

I don't understand according to you link it's 11 march 1941 ???

For the rest I've not time now.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #37 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:52:40 AM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Flying Tigers were fighting in China....do you know how far it is from Europe? I don't remember Japan invading Poland at this time. So I don't quite understand how the Flying Tigers were opposing the german war effort.

Japan was an Axis power so the Tigers flying in support of China opposing Japan was also opposing Germany and Italy.

The isolationist policy of the pre pearl era was a policy which many of you wish we would return... isn't it? Or should we have an engaged foreign policy after all?

straffo · « **Reply #38 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:56:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Japan was an Axis power so the Tigers flying in support of China opposing Japan was also opposing Germany and Italy.

Right but it's something not really intuitive for us.

deSelys · « **Reply #39 on:** November 18, 2004, 08:15:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
What color is the sky in your world?

Imagination: C
Relevance: E-

Holden:

Japan formally entered the Axis Powers by signing the tripartite treaty of september 27, 1940...after the campaign of France was finished.

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The isolationist policy of the pre pearl era was a policy which many of you wish we would return... isn't it? Or should we have an engaged foreign policy after all?

No need to over-act the 'indignant virgin' character. This is about the unjustified bashing of France and the fact that nothing is completely black nor white in our world.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #40 on:** November 18, 2004, 08:39:30 AM »

deSelys:

Anti-Comintern Pact Signed at Berlin, November 25, 1936 by Japan and Germany. 1937 Italy signs.

Japan was already in Manchuria for a few years by then. WW2 started in China, not Poland.

Goth · « **Reply #41 on:** November 18, 2004, 08:40:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Japan was an Axis power so the Tigers flying in support of China opposing Japan was also opposing Germany and Italy.

The isolationist policy of the pre pearl era was a policy which many of you wish we would return... isn't it? Or should we have an engaged foreign policy after all?

Unfortunately, I think you are right in the fact that the Euro's believe we should remain isolationists....unless it is their country being invaded.

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 18, 2004, 08:48:02 AM »

face it... euros are murderous imperial barbarians who attack each other over every slight... germans start feeling master raced every few decades and it all goes south for the little people.... we try to stay out of their meaningless conflicts till it spills over unto us and then we step in and save the world.

happens all the time. Boring really... you guys should grow up.

lazs

cpxxx · « **Reply #43 on:** November 18, 2004, 09:00:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
You are right. It should have the "Bankrupt America Program" or perhaps "Welfare Nations of Europe". I would say economically the US did not profit inordinately at the Europeans expense if at all. The biggest benefit of lend lease for the US was the "leasing" of British Bases. The deal allowed European nations to be trading partners and not welfare recipients.

All in all a much better arrangement for everyone. Maybe European countries today think "something for nothing" is a good way to deal with friends, equals, and partners? Especially when they are the ones getting "something for nothing".

Crumpp [/QUOTE

America was the only country that came out of the war richer than when it went in.
No country least of all America gets involved in any war unless it believes it will serve it's best interests. I presume in a few years time, Iraqis will be getting the same slagging.

Krusher · « **Reply #44 on:** November 18, 2004, 09:00:51 AM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey Crumpp, Gunslinger and the like...a quick reminder:

Why were the U.S. so quiet when Germany invaded Poland? Which were the 2 only countries who stood against the Nazis? UK and France. France fought and lost, UK fought and held...thanks to the Channel.

With the exceptions of some brave men like the Eagle Squadron, the americans weren't much willing to fight 'for democracy'.

Before Pearl Harbour and Hitler declaring war against the U.S. (not the other way around mind you...), the U.S. have nothing to be proud of... you don't stand on solid ground to bash France actually.

Agreed you guys did a terrific job afterwards.

We were not prepared to fight for anything in the late 30's.
One month after the start of the war in Europe, the president ordered the army and national gaurd to increase its numbers dramaticly. We spent 8 Billion dollars to upgrade and modernize our armies and navies for war. 8 BILLION dollars, hell thats more than a lot of countries spend now. But your right we didn't join the fight the day it started. We did help In 1937 the US began munitions and arms sales to western european democracies. (psst that included france) As you mentioned we had volunteers and military advisors in europe and aisia early in the war.

So if your opinion is we had nothing to be proud of, pleae feel free to f*** yourself.

carry on.