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Offline StarOfAfrica2

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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2004, 01:20:07 AM »
He cant ram the ack or the buildings.

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2004, 05:57:04 PM »
edited... :)

BoB-time!
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2004, 06:09:06 PM »
Would you perfer the A-20? If the SBD turns out to be too Uber (did I really say that?) I am sure Duke will do something about it. Lets not get our panties all bunched up until we see how it works out shall we?

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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2004, 07:04:19 PM »
There's some says the SBD is quite the fighter ... can't see as why I'd prefer to use it in such a role over the Spit or Hurri (even the I variants). But, ifluff'n some do, I can't see it being more a threat. I just won't like seeing my precious navy blue planes .... in a freakin' BOB setup. If we're gonna fudge BOB to even things and we need a bomb dropper for the allies ... add the Hurri IIc to the mix. Bombs and cannons. Too much? Go with the Boston.

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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2004, 07:56:45 PM »
Duke,
I personally think you are doing and try to do a splendid job on the setup.kudos to you, but if every type keeps whining just make it combat only and drop the bombats! :D

keep up the good work Duke :aok
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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2004, 08:13:15 PM »
TC is right, if it doesnt work out, what have we lost? We sure wont get anything by running the same old setups we have had in the past. If this doesnt work out, try something else next time.

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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2004, 10:06:01 PM »
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Duke,
I personally think you are doing and try to do a splendid job on the setup.kudos to you, but if every type keeps whining just make it combat only and drop the bombats! :D

keep up the good work Duke :aok

Absolutely agree on all points.

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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2004, 11:15:12 PM »
Ditto
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2004, 01:28:55 AM »
Do 'SBD' and 'uber' belong in the same sentence?

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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2004, 04:54:44 AM »
Times like this I wish AH had a some sort of a collective 'scoring system'... so we can turn off base captures but still encourage people to fly bombers and go bust East Dock or Liverpool.

 Can't we just retain the basic historical twist that the Tommies are trying to defend, and the Krauts are trying to lob ombs? Why is this urgent need to give the RAF a bomber so important?

 Just take the C-47 out and basically all the problem's gone, isn't it?

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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2004, 07:57:09 AM »
You are correct, but if we take out the C-47 the axis will whine all week. If we give the Axis the ability to take bases in England and we dont give the Brits something with bombs so they can take them back the Brits will whine all week. If we leave the C-47 out all together both sides will whine all week.

Personally, I think both score and base capture should permanently be off, but thats just me.

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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2004, 04:59:41 PM »
Heh.

Take out the C-47A and enable the LVT-4 at coastal German cities.  Make them drive it all the way across the channel to take British territory.  No remote spawn points.  Start in the hangar and dive to the water, then swim the Channel and land troops in England.

That might fix both problems at once.
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« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2004, 07:17:13 PM »
Make them drive it all the way across the channel to take British territory. :aok

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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2004, 06:48:02 PM »
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"The Ju 88A-4 was finally delivered early in 1941, with the 1,400 hp Jumo 211F-1 or 211J engines."

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophe.arribat/stofju88.html

while i'm not advocating adding the a20, i'm just saying lose the ju-88 for once so we can see the stuka more.
AIRCRAFT SPECIFICATIONS




 Full Name: Junkers Ju 88  
Variants: Many versions, data given here for Ju 88A-4, C-6, G-7, S-1  
Type: Originally designed as a dive bomber, but developed for level bombing, close support, night fighting, reconnaisance and as a pilotless missile  
Country of Origin: Germany  
Manufacturer: Junkers Flugzeugwerke AG  
First Flight: (Ju 88V1) 21st December 1936; (first Ju 88A-1) 7th September 1939; (first fighter, Ju 88C-0) July 1939; (Ju 88C-6) mid-1942; (first G-series) early 1944; (S-series) late 1943  
Engine(s): (A-4) two 1,340 hp Junkers Jumo 211J 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid-cooled; (C-6) same as A-4; (G-7) two 1,880 hp Junkers Jumo 213E 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid-cooled; (S-1) two 1,700 hp BMW 801G 18-cylinder two-row radials  
Wingspan: 65 ft 10.5 in (20.13 m) (early versions 59 ft 10.75 in)  
Length: 47 ft 2.25 in (14.4 m)  
Height: 15 ft 11 in (4.85 m); (C-6) 16 ft 7.5 in (5 m)  
Weights: Empty: (A-4) 17,637 lb (8,000 kg); (G-7b) 20,062 lb (9,100 kg); (S-1) 18,300 lb (8,300 kg)
Maximum loaded: (A-4) 30,865 lb (14,000 kg); (C-6b) 27,500 lb (12,485 kg); (G-7b) 32,350 lb (14,690 kg); (S-1) 23,100 lb (10,490 kg)  
Maximum Speed: (A-4) 269 mph (433 km/h); (C-6b) 300 mph (480 km/h); (G-7b with no drop tank or flame dampers) 402 mph (643 km/h); (S-1) 373 mph (600 km/h)  
Service Ceiling: (A-4) 26,900 ft (8,200 m); (C-6b) 32,480 ft (9,900 m); (G-7b) 28,870 ft (8,800 m); (S-1) 36,090 ft (11,000 m)  
Range: (A-4) 1,112 miles (1,790 km); (C-6b) 1,243 miles (2,000 km); (G-7b) 1,430 miles (2,300 km); (S-1) 1,243 miles (2,000 km)  
Armament: Guns: (A-4) two 7.92 mm MG 81 (or one MG 81 and one 13 mm MG 131) firing forward, twin MG 81 or one MG 131 upper rear, one or two MG 81 at rear of ventral gondola and (later aircraft) two MG 81 at front of gondola; (C-6b) three 20 mm MG FF and three MG 17 in nose and two 20 mm MG 151 / 20 firing obliquely upward in Schräge Musik installation; (G-7b) four MG 151 / 20 (200 rounds each) firing forward from ventral fairing, two MG 151 / 20 in Schräge Musik installation (200 rounds each) and defensive MG 131 (500 rounds) swivelling in rear roof; (S-1) one MG 131 (500 rounds) swivelling in rear roof. Bomb Loads: (A-4) 1,100 lb (500 kg) internal and four external racks rated at 2,200 lb (1,000 kg) (inners) and 1,100 lb (500 kg) (outers) to maximum total bomb load of 6,614 lb (3,000 kg); (C-6b and G-7b) none carried; (S-1) up tp 4,410 lb (2,000 kg) on external racks  



AIRCRAFT HISTORY


Probably no other aircraft in history has been developed in so many quite different forms for so many purposes - except, perhaps, for the De Havilland Mosquito. Flown long before World War II as a civil prototype, after a frantic design process led by two temporarily hired Americans well-versed in modern stressed-skin construction, the first Ju 88s were transformed into the heavier, slower and more capacious A-1 bombers which were just entering service as World War II began. The formidable bomb load and generally good performance were offset by inadequate defensive armament, and in the A-4 the span was increased, the bomb load and gun power substantially augmented and a basis laid for diverse further development. Though it would be fair to describe practically all the subsequent versions as a hodge-podge of lash-ups, the Ju 88 was structurally excellent, combined large internal fuel capacity with great load-carrying capability, and yet was never so degraded in performance as to become seriously vulnerable as were the Dornier and Heinkel bombers.
Indeed, with the BMW radial and the Jumo 213 engines, the later versions were almost as fast as the best contemporary fighters at all altitudes and could be flown around the sky quite violently into the bargain. A basic design feature was that all the crew were huddled together, to improve combat morale; but in the Battle of Britain it was found this merely made it difficult to add proper defensive armament, and in the later Ju 188 a much larger crew compartment was provided. Another distinctive feature was the large single struts of the main landing gear, sprung with stacks of chamfered rings of springy steel, and arranged to turn the big, soft-field wheels through 90° to lie flat in the rear of the nacelles. In 1940 to 1943 about 2,000 Ju 88 bombers were built each year, nearly all A-5 or A-5 versions. After splitting off completely new branches which led to the Ju 188 and 388, bomber development was directed to the streamlined S series of much higher performance, it having become accepted that the traditional Luftwaffe species of bomber was doomed if intercepted, no matter how many extra guns and crew it might carry. Indeed, even the bomb and fuel loads were reduced in most S sub-types, though the S-2 had fuel in the original bomb bay and large bulged bomb stowage (which defeated the objective of reducing drag).
Final bomber versions included the P series of big-gun anti-armour and close-support machines, the Nbwe with flame-throwers and recoilless rocket projectors, and a large family of Mistel composite-aircraft combinations, in which the Ju 88 lower portion was a pilotless missile steered by the fighter originally mounted on top. Altogether bomber, reconnaisance and related 88s totalled 10,774, while frantic construction of night fighter versions in 1944-45 brought the total to at least 14,980. The Ju 88 night fighters (especially the properly designed G series) were extremely formidable, bristling with radar and weapons and being responsible for destroying more Allied night bombers than all other fighters combined.

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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2004, 04:38:33 PM »
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Do 'SBD' and 'uber' belong in the same sentence?


They do if I'm flying it :aok