Russia agrees to send troops to Iraq?

[Yeager]

boroda is so great because just when I forget how genuinely f*cked up the world is, he posts something utterly incomprehensible reminding me all about it

[genozaur]

I guess that Boroda is trying gently to remind the American cowboys that they are only controlling their cows and have no say in the U.S. government's actions such as providing the noble Afgan mojahedeens with a couple of thousands of the shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Boroda
Once again: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/06/ilyas.shtml

 

Thanks. Again: in 1998 US Senate declared Kosovo Liberation Army a terrorist organisation, and in 1999 US and NATO bombed Yugoslavia to assists this terrorists agaist Serbian police forces. It's a fact. Your country has a long history of supporting terrorism all over the world.

In that link you posted Boroda, this paragraph explains *why* he is here.  

According to the committee, the decision on granting asylum to Akhmadov was taken by an immigration court in Boston, Massachusetts, which was immediately appealed by the US government. “The appeal has now been rejected and the decision on granting asylum is now final,” the committee said.


Not much the US gov't can do about it now. They appealed the descion, and the appeal was rejected by the courts. I'm sure that if the Russians can provide enough evidence that there can be a trial of some sort with the goal of handing him over to the Russian authorities.

Boroda, you need to be patient with this. From your own source, the US gov't didnt want him here. Legal battles (assuming new evidence can be brought to light) can take years here in the US.

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by Yeager
boroda is so great because just when I forget how genuinely f*cked up the world is, he posts something utterly incomprehensible reminding me all about it

I second that notion

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Boroda
Once again: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/06/ilyas.shtml

Thanks for the link Boroda, I hadn't seen this news. No surprise that he's working for the National Endowment for Democracy though, well that is assuming one knows what the NED actually does.

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Elfie


Boroda, you need to be patient with this. From your own source, the US gov't didnt want him here. Legal battles (assuming new evidence can be brought to light) can take years here in the US.

Then why has he been given a job with a federally funded NGO which is arguably a front for some of the shadier aspects of US foreign policy?

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by Elfie

Boroda, you need to be patient with this. From your own source, the US gov't didnt want him here. Legal battles (assuming new evidence can be brought to light) can take years here in the US.

Perhaps Boroda believes the US Government and the US legal system are the same?  Boroda, they're not.

curly

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by genozaur
I guess that Boroda is trying gently to remind the American cowboys that they are only controlling their cows and have no say in the U.S. government's actions such as providing the noble Afgan mojahedeens with a couple of thousands of the shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.

Different time different era.  IE COLD WAR!  so your statement is irrelevent to Iraq or the current world climate

[Jackal1]

The vodka supply must be good this year.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Different time different era.  IE COLD WAR!  so your statement is irrelevent to Iraq or the current world climate

wow.
The only irevelency is there are no checks on US power.  Imagine if the Russians were funneling thier latest man pads into Iraq and calling it arming the freedom fighters. lol

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Momus--
Then why has he been given a job with a federally funded NGO which is arguably a front for some of the shadier aspects of US foreign policy?

This is exactly what I want to ask our American "friends".

More to say, US Depatment of State still employs him for "consultations". I wonder if he gives them advises or they instruct him how to commit terrorist attacks against Russian citizens...

Telling that judicial system is totaly independant from government is very naive.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Pongo
wow.
The only irevelency is there are no checks on US power.  Imagine if the Russians were funneling thier latest man pads into Iraq and calling it arming the freedom fighters. lol

Imagine USSR and Warsaw Pact bombing UK because of the "ethnic cleansings" against IRA terrorists...

[Blue2]

I'm glad the Warsaw Pact didn't bomb us. I lived in between about six US bases in East Anglia as a teenager and the prospect seemed pretty real at the time.

As for your other arguments I kind of have to agree. One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. The partisans were freedom fighters to us as allies, yet they were terrorists to the Nazis for example.

As for your other arguments I kind of have to agree.
All govts have supported such groups at one time or other. No one can realy claim the high moral ground. The problem as I see it is that we need to admit this and seek solutions rather than just scream for war.

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by Boroda
To defeat terrorism your country must give up Chechen criminals that you hide from justice. So far America is the biggest terrorist supporter in the world. Only your country bombed another souverign nation to support Moslim terrorist gangs.

I agree, we did profit terroism, and we may still be unknowingly, and I admire Russia for it's efforts..

But what I meant in my statement is if Russia joins us, it's just one big step closer to defeating terroism..

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Boroda
This is exactly what I want to ask our American "friends".

More to say, US Depatment of State still employs him for "consultations". I wonder if he gives them advises or they instruct him how to commit terrorist attacks against Russian citizens...

Telling that judicial system is totaly independant from government is very naive.

Boroda the article you linked us says the man in question was given a research grant. I have absolutely no idea what that entails or why he was given one.

As far as the judicial system being totaly independent from the gov't. It's not independent, its part of the gov't but a separate branch of the gov't.

(Let me see if I can explain this properly. If I screw up anyone can feel free to jump in and correct me  )

The US gov't consists of 3 different entities.

1) Legislature, Congress including both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

2) Executive Office, President and Vice President.

3) Judiciary, the courts, specifically the judges.

In the case of this man, he sought political asylum here in the US. His case was heard by a court in Boston Massachusetts. His asylum was granted by this court. The Federal Gov't (read Executive office) appealed this descion by the Boston court. The appeal was denied making the lower courts descion final.

At this point there is nothing more the executive office can do unless new evidence comes to light. At this point I believe it is up to your country to provide my country with hard evidence that this man is in fact a terrorist. Then my country can proceed further and hopefully get this reject to face some justice.

I am with you on this one Boroda. You have legitimate issues here. As I stated earlier in this thread, be patient the American justice system can be very slow but it does work.