Author Topic: Helmets part 2 (Read 578 times)

Pei · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2004, 04:55:51 PM »

I can't see the figure for US citizens being correct:

Some civilians must have died a Pearl Harbour, plus others woould have been caught it up in Japanese and German attacks overseas.

I wonder where Merchant Navies come in? Many US sailors died in the atlantic.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2004, 04:57:45 PM »

Quote

its your crappy english translation?

vuile eikelige mierenneukende arrogante lullo

ja

straffo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2004, 05:32:15 PM »

Furball a Japanese balloon killed on mainland USA some 5/6 persons (I'm not sure) in Oregon.

Ripper29 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2004, 06:30:20 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by vorticon
its your crappy english translation?

His English is better then my Dutch....

Flyboy · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:08:24 PM »

ADD to that the 6 million or so jews that was brutally murdered by the nazi's and their helpers

Crumpp · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:26:47 PM »

Quote

United states : 295,000 troops

Not surprising. The United States has always adopted the stance of firepower before manpower. In fact it amazed the Germans that a US Army private had the authority to get on a radio and call in a Battalion artillery strike.

Under their doctrine artillery fired on a time table in pre-coordinated fires and only a few soldiers in the Unit would be trained to call for fires.

Don't take this the wrong way. All armies used firepower and manuver in preference to casualties. The question became where is the line and are the assets available. The US has and always will spend money before we spend blood whenever possible.

What I want to know is why the French did not immediately sail their fleet to England and put it under the Free French Flag?

Would have totally prevented Operation Catapult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_H#Operation_Catapult

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_French_Fleet_at_Mers-el-Kebir

Crumpp

ra · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:42:34 PM »

Quote

What I want to know is why the French did not immediately sail their fleet to England and put it under the Free French Flag?

Because it was the Vichy fleet.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2004, 07:52:54 PM »

the jews are included with the citizens

Crumpp · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2004, 08:02:33 PM »

Quote

Because it was the Vichy fleet.

Yes but days before it was the RF fleet fighting for their countries survival. I just wonder why they did not jump at the chance to continue the struggle and free their country.

Maybe they were just tired of fighting?

Crumpp

Rino · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2004, 09:29:41 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ofcourse these aren't exact numbers
the truth is US mainland is never attacked

A japanese balloon bomb landed in california and killed a
US citizen. Both the Japanese and Germans had subs that
shelled the mainland.

It was attacked, just not very well.

straffo · « **Reply #25 on:** November 19, 2004, 01:42:11 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Crumpp
Yes but days before it was the RF fleet fighting for their countries survival. I just wonder why they did not jump at the chance to continue the struggle and free their country.

Maybe they were just tired of fighting?

Crumpp

They were not tired of fighting having almost done no combat.
They just followed their order believing Vichy was a legitimate governement.

cpxxx · « **Reply #26 on:** November 19, 2004, 08:27:48 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by straffo
They were not tired of fighting having almost done no combat.
They just followed their order believing Vichy was a legitimate governement.

It's easy to look back now and see clear answers. But try and remember March 2003 and the uncertaintly you might have felt about to outcome of the attack on Iraq.

Many Vichy seemed to consider Free French fighting alongside the British as traitors. It must have been a very strange time with part of France occupied and part supposedly free

Gunslinger · « **Reply #27 on:** November 19, 2004, 08:37:57 AM »

IIRC the idea of the "liberty ship" was to produce more than the German U boats could sink and sink alot of them they did.

These ships were manned by CIVILIAN sailors NOT armed forces. I don't know off the top of my head how many went down or how many crew were lost but to say that the US lost ZERO is ludacris at best.

straffo · « **Reply #28 on:** November 19, 2004, 08:40:56 AM »

according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_casualties_by_country

About 6000 US civilian were killed that far from 0.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 19, 2004, 04:20:36 PM »

i don't know why but graphicaly it isn't mentioned

so i said 0 i don't think it can be zero either.