Sore Losers

[FT_Animal]

In all seriousness,.....

Frankly, I'm embarrassed *for you*.

ACM is one thing, cryin because he won't plant his butt in your sights is another.

Seems to me he was practicing perfect ACM, especialy the part called,... "Life Preservation". He lived, you died. YOU are responsable for exposing your 6, not him. It's his job to shoot an exposed 6.

Had you been thinking, you could have upped from 2 bases away and come over the top and handed him his butt,.... but that's the problem,.. you weren't thinking. So you attempt to publicly humiliate him because you were too lazy to think. NICE!!! real class.

For you to place yourself below him is YOUR error, and his success. The fact that you don't get this part of ACM yet only proves to me you have a long way to go.

You think you're some tough guy while hidding behind oak trees 300 yds away calling people poopy butt. I'm not impressed nor intimidated.
So far you seem to be the biggest cry baby in here. Your skin isn't thin,.... it's transparent.

The title of this thread seems to fit you perfect, just as the post that went with it. The more you ramble the more you make him right. Basically , you stood up and exposed your 6 yet again, when this thread could have remained,"un-named".



Being humble does have it's advantages. ;-)

Originally posted by Urchin
Oh, I don't even bother.. most of them have decided, like you apparently, that it is to hard.. they'd rather not try at all.  Hey, a kill is a kill, right?  Its my 15 bucks, right?

Besides which, most of em, like Waffle there, gets real bent out of shape if you have anything to say after he runs 75 miles to ack and friends before deciding to "fight", unless it is "Man, outSTANDing kill Waffle!  Never seen better flying, ever!  It was pure poetry!"  

Calling a ***** a ***** is apparently verboten.  Guess everyone's bought into the "Oh, you can't say anything NEGATIVE, you big meanie!  You might hurt their poor widdle self esteem! "  Of course... if the ******* had any to begin with they put a little effort into it.  

Actually... the only time I remember "fighting" waffle (and I might have him mixed up with another newb) is him trying to vulch some folks that were landing, seeing me in a 262 also, and then running 75 miles to a friendly base.  He did finally turn around after he made it to the field ack and a few buddies upped to help him.  After I got shot down he gloated on 200 about "beating me at my own game".. apparently my game has become running like a ***** to my ack and begging for help to anyone that'll listen.  

That is the only one that stands out, and I like I said earlier... I might have him mixed up with some other big mouth, low/no skill newb.  Apparently me calling him a ***** really rankled though, since he is still trying to prove something.

[RTSigma]

I heard they're going to make an addition to AH2.

Everyone spawns at 5k with 200mph and in P-51s, Me109, or Spit VIV. Theres no ack, no sides, and no text buffer.


That would actually send all those pilots who want their knife fights and lone wolf mentalities away while pilots who want to fly with others and fly their own way can fly*


*redundant? Not really. Leaves all the teamworkers and squads to fly and attack as a group and do their strats and JO's and find fights above 10k and against enemies with conventional strategies.

[SFCHONDO]

Man that Boy has some serious Mental issues. God if i disliked the game and the people in it as bad as him I'd just quit. I'm sure no one would care and most probably wished he did. It's pointless to try and make him understand, seems like only a mental health instutution could help him. Just ignor his ranting and crying and he'll get bored eventually when no one replies to him. It's obvious he is way beyond any help that we could give him.  
Besides when he whines on 200 99% of the MA don't believe what he's saying nor could they care less. Once he figures out "NO ONE CARES" how he died he might shut-up about it, but with his personality I doubt that will ever happen. Just squelch the Nugget and enjoy the game as if he weren't ever there.

[wipass]

This is someone in need of serious help, best thing to do now urchin is not to post in this thread again and let it die ....

wipass

[WMLute]

a little friendly smack talk i'm ok with.  P.M.'ing someone like that is crossing the line.  

I understand what you are saying urchin.  They are not b/z'ing at all.  Face shot, run, face shot, run.  It DOES get old.   I've logged many a night in frustration over it.  All I wanted was to find a fight, not chase some weenie 2 sectors until he was over ack, and w/ 4 friendlies and THEN they decide to fight.

But...it happens.  I find that spending an hour in the TA w/ the new pilots help.  WE can help start breeding a new kinda' pilot.  I feel that 100% of the reason they do the joust thing, is ignorance.  It's where they are "at".  Only way to fix it is to train them.  If more of the "good" sticks took the time to train the newbies, we would reap the reward in the MA with much more satisfying fights.

recap.  Taunting=acceptable   Verbal abuse and cursing via p.m.=Bad (if not baning material)

[wrag]

I talked a couple of fairly new flyers into the TA once and both basicaly became friends.  I showed em both the very little I knew at the time, not that I know very much more now, and they seemed to appreciate it allot.

PM'ing someone with abuse makes only enemies of potential friends.  Sometimes very good friends.

Also PM'ing with abuse makes the abuser look like a LOOSER IMHO.

Caught something in Urchin's posting that made me think.

So what's with this constant reference to Newb's???

Hasn't Waffle been around awhile?

Is this some kinda thing about look at me I'm an "Old Salt" or something?  Some kinda entitlement thing for time put in?

How long does someone have to be around before they're no longer a Newb?

Hey!  Without new flyers this sim and all others will die!

Don't like the way they fly?  Then offer to show em a better way!

Several of the people that have posted in this thread are excellent at acm, and usually hand me my backside real quick, but more importantly they could really make a difference to a newbees abilities.

I've heard Shane frequently offers to teach people he's shot down some ACM.  And does so patiently and well Shane

[Urchin]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
In all seriousness,.....

Frankly, I'm embarrassed *for you*.

ACM is one thing, cryin because he won't plant his butt in your sights is another.

Seems to me he was practicing perfect ACM, especialy the part called,... "Life Preservation". He lived, you died. YOU are responsable for exposing your 6, not him. It's his job to shoot an exposed 6.

Had you been thinking, you could have upped from 2 bases away and come over the top and handed him his butt,.... but that's the problem,.. you weren't thinking. So you attempt to publicly humiliate him because you were too lazy to think. NICE!!! real class.

For you to place yourself below him is YOUR error, and his success. The fact that you don't get this part of ACM yet only proves to me you have a long way to go.

You think you're some tough guy while hidding behind oak trees 300 yds away calling people poopy butt. I'm not impressed nor intimidated.
So far you seem to be the biggest cry baby in here. Your skin isn't thin,.... it's transparent.

The title of this thread seems to fit you perfect, just as the post that went with it. The more you ramble the more you make him right. Basically , you stood up and exposed your 6 yet again, when this thread could have remained,"un-named".



Being humble does have it's advantages. ;-)

I'm curious animal.... what the **** are you talking about anyway?  Are you just making some scenario up in your head?

This thread is basically about all the people who think I'm a dick because I won't say "Wow man!  Superb flying, amazing job, you kick bellybutton BRO!  Keep doing that 8 on 1 thing man, you are great at it!" and deciding to make themselves feel better.  I couldn't care less, to be honest.  

2/3rds of the people talking **** about me in here I've never heard of... and I probably never will.  They'll remain faceless, anonymous little sheep, flying around in a herd for the entirety of their time here.  The other 1/3 I already know are *******.  I think what gets them so riled up is they know it too.  

I'm not showing any newb how to fly, because honestly... anything I'd be showing them would be basically incomprehensible.  

I'm not interested in making friends.  All the people I'm "friends" with have the same mentality as me, and we stopped coming to the party 3 years ago.  

Anyway, I'm done.  You all can keep the circle-jerk up until your hands get tired though... I'd hate to deny you your "fun".

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Urchin
I'm not interested in making friends.  All the people I'm "friends" with have the same mentality as me, and we stopped coming to the party 3 years ago.  

Say hi to them from us when you get on the short yellow bus today.

[wrag]

Urchin said.....

"This thread is basically about all the people who think I'm a dick because I won't say "Wow man! Superb flying, amazing job, you kick bellybutton BRO! Keep doing that 8 on 1 thing man, you are great at it!" and deciding to make themselves feel better. I couldn't care less, to be honest. "


I don't see that in this thread, I do see the PM'ing with abuse repeatedly discussed.

I'm thinkin no one here expects anyone to say wow great flying or wow great gang bang or wow great what ever.  I know I don't expect it.

I' am thinkin what they expect or want is a stop to the PM'ing with abuse.

Smack talkin is one thing, abuse is something else all together.

I have NO objection to some smack talk but when someone gets themselves into a veritable sh*t sandwhich and then complains about getting shot  down afterwards, (AKA having to eat that sandwhich),  I say BS.

You got into a fight and continued, for what ever the reason, until you got yourself into, or it just simply became, a bad situation and as a result you did not survive.  DEAL with it, please.  Or maybe do us all a favor and don't fly into that situation again.  

Hey We do it, we get involved and get into too much and we lose, and we deal with it.  ( OK, OK, I admit it, I've sat there cussing at myself for being stupid and,or not paying attention, ask my squadies LOL they've put up with me Squadies {NwBie made me do it???} )   If you, or anyone else for that matter, are unable to do the same, then please avoid that situation or anything that may lead to it.

Why do we gotta suffer for what happened, if ALL involved played a part in it?

Did we make you or anyone else fly that way?  Do we somehow have that much power over you or others?

We see a possible kill, and are we supposed to say oh wait thats the famous (insert name here) we best let that one fly away?  Bbecause that one might complain and or PM us with abuse?

Or are we supposed to enjoy ourselves and go for the kill?

Would you go for the kill?  Or let em go?

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by Arlo
Looking further past this down the thread it looks more like the part where the inflated egos gravitate toward one another and form a daisychain.

Amen...

It's usually a certain collection of veteran aces that do most of the whining, *****ing & moaning...makes it very hard to look up to any of them.  Then, some of them complain about a poor community.  Problem is that they're just as responsible for the cr/\ppy community as the Quake players that fly here.

Maybe HT could disable scores & ranks in that 2nd MA.  See if enough people go there & enjoy flying without the scores.  Flying styles might change a bit in there.  (beta test it!)

However, everyone - including the aces - should make their own adjustments in tactics if they're not catching the kills they so desperately wanted.  Quit blaming the runner.  

[Waffle]

Originally posted by Urchin
Besides which, most of em, like Waffle there, gets real bent out of shape if you have anything to say after he runs 75 miles to ack and friends before deciding to "fight", unless it is "Man, outSTANDing kill Waffle!  Never seen better flying, ever!  It was pure poetry!"

not bent out of shape here...more in awe at how dense you are.
As far as the runnning thing -kinda hard to run in an a6m. Ask pretty much anyone - I will hang and fight in a furbal. A week or so ago, I and one other friendly were over a base with aboout 12-13 cons below us and mixing it up.  Ask Stang

Calling a ***** a ***** is apparently verboten.  Guess everyone's bought into the "Oh, you can't say anything NEGATIVE, you big meanie!  You might hurt their poor widdle self esteem! "  Of course... if the ******* had any to begin with they put a little effort into it.  

As far as this, it's your behavior in part that is detrimental - you have no clue as to who you are PM'ng and how old they are. Remember, it is a game.

Actually... the only time I remember "fighting" waffle (and I might have him mixed up with another newb) is him trying to vulch some folks that were landing, seeing me in a 262 also, and then running 75 miles to a friendly base.  He did finally turn around after he made it to the field ack and a few buddies upped to help him.  After I got shot down he gloated on 200 about "beating me at my own game".. apparently my game has become running like a ***** to my ack and begging for help to anyone that'll listen.


Lmao - I was plotting revenge against Fester and Morpheous and I guess you were in the bunch - took a 190 NOE to the base where the 262 vulch horde was landing - was gonna go get you slow on landing. Almost worked - few minutes earlier Would've had more. I didnt Run that trip -= stayed and mixed with the your cronies that upped.  

That is the only one that stands out, and I like I said earlier... I might have him mixed up with some other big mouth, low/no skill newb.  Apparently me calling him a ***** really rankled though, since he is still trying to prove something.

I got nothing to prove other than you're a first class (place you're own words here - and I don't mean "Stick" or "virtual pilot")


out till late thurday - will catch up then.
Happy Thanksgiving.


Need any more rope Urchin?

[Urchin]

then apparently I've got you mixed up with some other ****-talking newb...  

That is how much an impression you've made on me...  i.e.  "who are you again?"

[Urchin]

Originally posted by wrag

We see a possible kill, and are we supposed to say oh wait thats the famous (insert name here) we best let that one fly away?  Bbecause that one might complain and or PM us with abuse?

Or are we supposed to enjoy ourselves and go for the kill?

Would you go for the kill?  Or let em go?

See, that is the difference between me, and you and the rest of the MA.  

In the MA, I show more respect for the average opponent (even not knowing who it is) then you guys ever will.. because apparently all that you see when you see 5 friendlies and one enemy is "Oh look, a possible kill".  

I see one guy already fighting 5, he doesn't need me to jump in there, and I don't need to jump in there... I can get kills all by myself.  Of course... since I literally can get kills all by myself I'm coming at it from a different perspective than most.  To me, a 3-4-5---> on one isn't any fun.  It isn't any fun whether I'm ganging on someone or getting ganged..  I don't do it.    

I get killed all the time, I don't get particularly bothered by it.  I don't play for stats.. if a sortie doesn't pan out I'll auger and up where some action is.  All you newbs that are obsessed with living and figure that is why I'm such an ******* are so off-base it actually IS kind of funny.  But apparently my way of playing the game is so foreign to new players (or even crappy "vets") that they literally can't wrap their minds around it.  

But the "community" has devolved to the point where if you see a red con, it is not only ok to jump on in, it is expected.  People also expect a "thanks for helping" when they dive in to shoot the hell out of someone you are 200 yards back on getting ready to kill.  The idiocy is literally astounding, to me.

But I suppose most of the "vets" are still traumitized from getting their tulips handed to them when they actually tried to fight (in those long ago days when they were new, as opposed to newbs), and the new players learn from the "vets".  So the cycle of mediocrity continues... hell, mediocrity is being generous.  

So no.. I'm not a part of your "community".  I honestly want nothing to do with you.  If I came to a convention I'd probably spend the weekend in jail after beating the **** out of some internet tough guy that thought he'd start some **** in real life.

I guess I've just got higher standards than you all have, which is fine.  If you all feel the need to take potshots at me on the BBS, feel free.. I figure you are just compensating for inadequacies in the MA.  But if you are hoping for a " awesome flying man, great kill!"  when you jump into a 4 on 1, or if you are sitting in a manned ack or flak***** spraying away at the planes that are fighting.. well... yer **** out of luck partner.  If me calling you a ****ing loser makes you cry... just squelch me when you log in.

[dedalos]

I don't know Urchin, but the fact is that HE did not run his mouth on 200 and HE did not start the thread.  He sent a private message.  He might have been right or wrong but it was in private.  Since when did we become so sencitive that we can't handle a private message?

As far as his motives I can't tell.  I can tell you that the only kill I have on him was on a head on.  I cam out of the smoke, he poped up from smoke on the other side of the field and we were lined up perfectly.  No time to do anything other than pull the triger.  He lost,  I send an and his responce was an .  I think he recognized that it was an anavoidable situation.  Based on that one experience and how pissed off people get when they get HOed or come close to being HOed,  I would say that maybe he does care about the game?

[DrDea]

"I guess I've just got higher standards than you all have, which is fine. If you all feel the need to take potshots at me on the BBS, feel free.. I figure you are just compensating for inadequacies in the MA. But if you are hoping for a " awesome flying man, great kill!" when you jump into a 4 on 1, or if you are sitting in a manned ack or flak***** spraying away at the planes that are fighting.. well... yer **** out of luck partner. If me calling you a ****ing loser makes you cry... just squelch me when you log in.":

  Sure looks like High standards to me.