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38,f6,f4u stalls and such
« on: April 04, 2001, 06:21:00 AM »
  The 38, F6 and F4U all seem to have this nasty "killer" stall. Is there a similarity in the flight model that causes this? I flew the F6 last night and really enjoyed it. Its a good plane and seems to do well. I had one killer stall and several normal stalls. I wonder if this killer stall has something to do with the "twisty" stick... ? I have read numerous posts about these stalls but so far the 3 planes I mentioned seem to be the only culprits? Has anyone fiqured out how to recover from one?

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2001, 06:30:00 AM »

I don't find the F4U too bad at all.  The 38 I haven't flown much.  I like the F6F, but it has an EXTREMELY nasty stall.  The trick to recovering any of the planes when you spin 'em out is to do it fast.  AH models spin development, so you start a spin slowly, and then it will develop into something really nasty if you don't recover it fast.  I've seen folks get into really nasty inverted flat spins if they didn't try to recover them early enough.  Once you get a fully developed spin, it can take many thousands of feet to recover, and many times you will never pull out of it.

How to recover from a spin.  Stick forward instantly and hold it there.  No matter what attitude you are in, stick forward is required to recover from a spin in AH.  Next you will need to rudder opposite to the spin to try to slow the nose down, and sometimes a little aeleron helps too.  If it's still not recovering, cut your throttle, sometimes the torque can keep you from recovering and cutting the throttle can help.

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2001, 07:22:00 AM »
 Thanks... I always was trying to go nose down... and opp rudder of course. THIS might of been a problem as if say inverted.. ie top part of a zoom,loop i might of pulled back on stick instantly... lol. Will try the stick foward always rule.


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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2001, 11:41:00 AM »
Another trick I use to recover from a spin is get nose going straight down & then hit SHIFT+X

This will almost always work for me. I agree it is important to begin recovery asap.

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2001, 02:19:00 PM »
you should be able to get out of any stall/spin in AH.
If not you are flying to low.

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2001, 12:04:00 AM »
Lephturn's advice on how to get out of a stall is right on.. however there's one thing I'd like to add.

When you input the opposite rudder.. do it gently and gradually.  Under no circumstances bang in a whole heap of opposite rudder instantly.  Chances are you'll snap into a stall in the opposite direction!

So, when you get into a stall, first apply gradual forward stick.. then gradual opposite rudder... keep feeding it in slowly until your rotation stops then very gently centre your elevator and start to slowly feed in up elevator to recover.

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2001, 12:23:00 AM »
I've managed to get into an unrecoverable flat spin with most of the US planes in AH.

For example when I was testing P-51 low-speed behaviour at high altitude, dropping the flaps yaw the plane into a very fast, flat spin that I could not recover. Tried stick forward, rudder, throttle, then even completely opposite moves that were logical.. Spent a good 12k of altitude fighting untill the ground decided it was enough.

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2001, 12:33:00 AM »
To recover from flat spins in pony I always trim the aleirons to one side, rudder to opposite of spin and cut engine. Plane usually drops the flat spin and enters a normal spin downwards, turn engine on shift-X you're out of it.


In P-38 its much simpler to recover. Just turn off ONE engine and plane will immediately spin downwards, engine on, shift-X... you barely lose 3 or 4k doing it.

I've never had a "killer stall" in 38. All the times I have something like that is during combat when the damn wing seems to develop a massive airbrake and spin your plane faster than a 190 on steroids. Once you get one and recover, you'd better RTB, cause it seems to get stuck, any turn you do, no matter how soft, may pull you into another spin. Its really annoying.

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2001, 04:25:00 AM »
I can usually recover spins from all aircraft. Not really ever been a spin I could not control or recover from. But this yak (and no joke) fell out of the sky. She started to spin in the usual way. It took quite a bit to recover her but I did and pulled up gently to get the nose up and without warning the aircraft flipped and went into what only could be described as a fall.

Tail first the aircraft at about a 25 degree angle falling towards the ground. I tried to recover it but no throttle, stick or rudder combination would do it.

My old yak just fell outa the air  

Anyone Else had any trouble?

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2001, 06:23:00 AM »
Well... I've done some experimenting with this. I took a 38 up to various altitudes and induced every damn crazy spin I could. I ALWAYS instantly recovered with just putting the stick foward... no matter what my flight situation/attitude was ie inverted, sidewise wtc. Lephturn was right on... just stick foward... nothing else.

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2001, 07:38:00 AM »
Some planes need a bit more in my experience, especially in more developed spins.  I always start by slamming the stick forward, and if you do that fast enough you'll usually recover quickly.  However, if you get into a bit more developed spin, it will sometimes take opposite rudder, maybe a bit of opposite roll, and even cutting the throttle to recover.

But rule #1 is slam the stick forward and hold it there.  If you do it fast enough you will recover quickly in most situations.

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2001, 08:25:00 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2001, 07:15:00 PM »
Sometimes, no matter what you do, the F6F will not stop spinning.  You're sitting there, stick forward and full opposite rudder, and she just keeps going round 'n round  

If you get into one of these 'death spins' here's a neat trick which just might save your ass.

Throw in a quick and violent application of aileron IN THE DIRECTION OF THE SPIN.  So, if you're spinning left, jab in full left aileron.  You don't feed the aileron in and hold it there.. its more like a violent punch of full aileron and then an immediate release.

This will stall your outside wing momentarily, which will sometimes allow you to recover from spins which would otherwise cause you to go 'SPLAT'.