Ukraine

[Boroda]

Originally posted by bikekil
Not sure what bettle you are talking about as i don't fight any and have no intention to fight a battle at any part of the world... i'm not a Imperialist

Here is the link to the news from the biggest web portal in Poland: http://info.onet.pl/1014520,12,item.html?MASK=8494882

it says that Putin contgratulated Ya two times. First when there was no official results and there were only initial results that people seen in TV in the night of elections. Secont time was when official results were known.
That's what i've seen heard in the TV news myself that day... so that are the technicalities i know and i see no reason to don't believe it

Well, first time he congratulated Ya in the morning on Monday, when officially 99%+ of the votes were counted, and Ya had a 3%+ advantage. Please check when Putin congratulated Bush.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
My point is that your "evil Pole/EU/US" conspiracy rant is just typically blind.

All anyone of these parties has really said can be summed up by Powell.



Pretty scarey thought for you, eh? People wanting things solved in the courts according to Constitutional law? Makes you see the Poles/EU/US as the enemy?

About Poles - I only quoted that "political expert" that was mentioned in FD Ski's link, I am not a specialist in Polish language, so I was intrerested in his POV when I heard him in Russian media. IMHO he's just a cheap unknown nothing who wants to become popular by telling another conspirological hallucination.

Powell can say anything about his good intentions, as well as that female reproductive organ Solana, but their other statements were clear enough: they will never recognize any election results other then the victory of their pet-zombie.

I find it a beautiful example of traditional Western double standards. EU clowns didn't object about elections in Afghanistan, held on American bayonets, and I bet they'll recognize a quite predictable result of upcoming elections in Iraq. Seriously, how can elections be a fraud in a country with 150000+ occupation troops?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
they will never recognize any election results other then the victory of their pet-zombie.

And that of course is where your blindness condemns you to be,  once again, totally wrong.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
And that of course is where your blindness condemns you to be,  once again, totally wrong.

Just look what Powell, EU, NATO and other "fighters for peace and democracy" were telling 10 days ago.

Quoting Lenin again: "When I hear someone speaking about democracy - I always want to know in who's favour".

Even "human-rights" activists, who generally can't be suspected in supporting pro-Russian politicians report multiple violations, but on the Yu side, in Western Ukraine. Look at this link carefully, I post it again: http://www.bhhrg.org/CountryReport.asp?CountryID=22&ReportID=230

[bikekil]

Originally posted by Boroda
Sorry, I only quoted a person who's name I saw in Bartek's link, I didn't hear about him before, and was interested in his opinion. I, personally, don't think that the "conspiracy" is that complicated. Groups supposed in supporting Yu are prestty obvious. In fact Yu is more anti-Russian candidate then pro-Western.

Just a thought: what do you think about  Rzecz Pospolita from Vilno to Crimea?

I think there is no conspiracy, just a usual political game

Rzecz Pospolita from Vilno to Crimea? - and you know how it ended ;-) Let's better not do it another time. We have enought of problems already and don't need more. Look at Luxemburg, they are small, rich and happy, there is no need to enslave anyone and grab his land if you are smart, lucky and have the banks

[Toad]

Don't see anyone in the International Community saying a fraudulent election should stand.

Do you?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
Don't see anyone in the International Community saying a fraudulent election should stand.

Do you?

Stop switching the subject.

I said that US/EU/NATO declared they will not recognize the election results and will call it fake in case Yu looses. So did Yu himself.

"We know we are the winners and don't care about what Election Comission will say, if we lose - then the elections are a fraud!".  A beautifull way to act, especially if you are True Democrats, supported by Civilized Democratic Countries, isn't it? I find it even more funny then elections in Afghanistan or Iraq, with 150000 occupants pointing bayonets at voters "hoping you know how to vote". Oh, sorry, such elections in "allied" occupation zones already happened in late-40s!  Real triumph of Democracy!

Do you really think that workers at Donbass will stand this obvious Western pressure, aimed at shutting down Ukrainian industry?... Contradicting "tangerine" propaganda - most of Donbass officials try to keep people from going to Kiev, while miners are already too angry at people who call them "trash" and "illiterate mob"....

[Boroda]

Fresh news:

Opposition leader Yulia Timoshenko said they will refrain from violence only in exchange to changes in the Ukrainian Constitution.

Following link in Russian:
http://lenta.ru/world/2004/12/02/timoshenko/

Are you with this people?...

Timoshenko needs urgent lobotomy.

Edit: inserted a correct link instead of wrong.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda


I said that US/EU/NATO declared they will not recognize the election results and will call it fake in case Yu looses.

What they actually said, if you go ahead an actually READ the news from different sources is that they won't recognize results from a fraudlent election.

Gee.... that's pretty much what every political entity in the Urkraine is saying right now. The President... the Parliament and most likely the Supreme Court as well, when they finish deliberating.

As for your intimation that the Afghan elections were fraudlent because soldiers threatened the voters......... well, you must not read any news at all. There were LOTS of different organizations watching the Afghan elections very closely. All complaints WERE investigated and both the Independent Commission and the plantiffs themselves found nothing of any note, no reason to doubt the results of the election.

Here's the basics. The Afghan elections were watched closely, complaints were investigated independently and the results were found valid.

The Ukrainian elections were watched and complaints are being investigated. It looks like the results are going to be found invalid.

Just about everyone who has commented has merely said if it's fraudlent, it should not stand. That's the position of the EU, the US, the Poles and anyone else with any intelligence.

I apologize in advance, because I know this will not fit your version of alternate reality.

[bikekil]

forgot too much from shool so can't really read the article

can't see it in our news yet.

hopefully it won't happened, but if it will, they will deserve what they gonna get.

If i were them, i'd rest till the time when court decide about the elections, at least...