NOW I understand...

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by AKIron
One way to eliminate the excessive spending of hundreds of billions on social programs is to go broke. That's what the democrats are really so angry about isn't it? That we're spending money on something besides them?

  I dont know what or if the democrats are angfy about anythin.  I am concerned that we are 2/3rds of our national value is debt.  So, in the future , instead of spending money on highways (good paying jobs), schools (good paying jobs), research and developement of alternative fuel sources (necessary investment in the future of america and the world),  a clean environment, (investment in america), etc.,, we are going to be paying interest, which as anybody with a credit card knows, is a waste of money.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Steve
Yes Airhead and Whitehawk, we should fight the war with no budget, right?  You studmuffings cry on one hand that there isn't enough armored vehicles to go around then cry on the other that the budget is too high.

You piss and moan out of both sides of your mouth.

My view is simple:  the war is just, and must be paid for.


Tards like Thrawn and Co. want to take my hard earned income and redistribute it.  It was this I was originally refering to, not the budget.

Get it?

Ahhh, the namecalling.  Internet tuff guys always make me giggle.


Anyway, I cry that we dont have a war budget anymore or a national budget anymore, since our leaders just keep upping the limit, AND we STILL dont have enough armored vehicles to go around.  You see my point? Where is all this money going?  My hard earned money?

  I am calling your accusation that thrawn and his evil buddies would take your hard earned money and use it for social programs here, but you dont care that the Bush admin is taking your hard earned money and, if they ever finish this war,  are going to spend it on social programs in Iraq?  I am just curious as to what the diff is?  I am always eager to learn.

By the way, only a coward would use fightin words when there is no chance of a fight.
 

[Steve]

but you dont care that the Bush admin is taking your hard earned money and, if they ever finish this war, are going to spend it on social programs in Iraq? I am just curious as to what the diff is? I am always eager to learn.

I care, and it sucks.

However, I feel that what we are doing in Iraq is necessary for our country.  I do not feel many social programs here in the US are.  I could list them but I think you can guess a few on your own.

BTW buckwheat, ya better check to see who started the namecalling and I haven't come close to fightin words.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Steve
I care, and it sucks.


BTW buckwheat, ya better check to see who started the namecalling and I haven't come close to fightin words.

Well, you called me a studmuffing and a buckwheat.  Thats strike 2, punk.

[Steve]

Buckwheat isn't really an insult, biitch.

[CAVY]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Well, you called me a studmuffing and a buckwheat.  Thats strike 2, punk.

Man..You guy's should meet some place and settle this like the ladies you sound like:rofl ...Come On!!! Chill out...It's Christmas.....You sound ridiculous....

[Airhead]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk


By the way, only a coward would use fightin words when there is no chance of a fight.
 

No, I think the correct phrase is "Only a coward would hit a fellow coward." It was uttered by Bob Hope in that classic Western movie, "Cat Ballou," as a bad guy was chasing him around the room. I've been using it for 30 years, and it has saved me from getting beat up on several occasions.

[Toad]

Yeah, like this is something really new and unheard of in US politics and policy.

Anyone want to find a similar listing that shows the National Debt as a percentage of GNP? That would be interesting too.


National Debt History

Date Amount            
09/30/2003  $6,783,231,062,743.62      
09/30/2002  6,228,235,965,597.16      
09/28/2001  5,807,463,412,200.06      
09/30/2000  5,674,178,209,886.86      
09/30/1999  5,656,270,901,615.43      
09/30/1998  5,526,193,008,897.62      
09/30/1997  5,413,146,011,397.34      
09/30/1996  5,224,810,939,135.73      
09/29/1995  4,973,982,900,709.39      
09/30/1994  4,692,749,910,013.32      
09/30/1993  4,411,488,883,139.38      
09/30/1992  4,064,620,655,521.66      
09/30/1991  3,665,303,351,697.03      
09/28/1990  3,233,313,451,777.25      
09/29/1989  2,857,430,960,187.32      
09/30/1988  2,602,337,712,041.16      
09/30/1987  2,350,276,890,953.00      
09/30/1986  2,125,302,616,658.42      
12/31/1985  1,945,941,616,459.88      
12/31/1984  1,662,966,000,000.00    *
12/31/1983  1,410,702,000,000.00    *
12/31/1982  1,197,073,000,000.00    *
12/31/1981  1,028,729,000,000.00    *
12/31/1980  930,210,000,000.00    *
12/31/1979  845,116,000,000.00    *
12/29/1978  789,207,000,000.00    *
12/30/1977  718,943,000,000.00    *
12/31/1976  653,544,000,000.00    *
12/31/1975  576,649,000,000.00    *
12/31/1974  492,665,000,000.00    *
12/31/1973  469,898,039,554.70      
12/29/1972  449,298,066,119.00      
12/31/1971  424,130,961,959.95      
12/31/1970  389,158,403,690.26      
12/31/1969  368,225,581,254.41      
12/31/1968  358,028,625,002.91      
12/29/1967  344,663,009,745.18      
12/30/1966  329,319,249,366.68      
12/31/1965  320,904,110,042.04      
12/31/1964  317,940,472,718.38      
12/31/1963  309,346,845,059.17      
12/31/1962  303,470,080,489.27      
12/29/1961  296,168,761,214.92      
12/30/1960  290,216,815,241.68      
12/31/1959  290,797,771,717.63      
12/31/1958  282,922,423,583.87      
12/31/1957  274,897,784,290.72      
12/31/1956  276,627,527,996.11      
12/30/1955  280,768,553,188.96      
12/31/1954  278,749,814,391.33      
12/31/1953  275,168,120,129.39      
06/30/1953  266,071,061,638.57      
06/30/1952  259,105,178,785.43      
06/29/1951  255,221,976,814.93      
06/30/1950  257,357,352,351.04      
06/30/1949  252,770,359,860.33      
06/30/1948  252,292,246,512.99      
06/30/1947  258,286,383,108.67      
06/28/1946  269,422,099,173.26      
06/30/1945  258,682,187,409.93      
06/30/1944  201,003,387,221.13      
06/30/1943  136,696,090,329.90      
06/30/1942  72,422,445,116.22      
06/30/1941  48,961,443,535.71      
06/29/1940  42,967,531,037.68      
06/30/1939  40,439,532,411.11      
06/30/1938  37,164,740,315.45      
06/30/1937  36,424,613,732.29      
06/30/1936  33,778,543,493.73      
06/29/1935  28,700,892,624.53      
06/30/1934  27,053,141,414.48      
06/30/1933  22,538,672,560.15      
06/30/1932  19,487,002,444.13      
06/30/1931  16,801,281,491.71      
06/30/1930  16,185,309,831.43      
06/29/1929  16,931,088,484.10      
06/30/1928  17,604,293,201.43      
06/30/1927  18,511,906,931.85      
06/30/1926  19,643,216,315.19      
06/30/1925  20,516,193,887.90      
06/30/1924  21,250,812,989.49      
06/30/1923  22,349,707,365.36      
06/30/1922  22,963,381,708.31      
06/30/1921  23,977,450,552.54      
07/01/1920  25,952,456,406.16      
07/01/1919  27,390,970,113.12      
07/01/1918  14,592,161,414.00      
07/01/1917  5,717,770,279.52      
07/01/1916  3,609,244,262.16      
07/01/1915  3,058,136,873.16      
07/01/1914  2,912,499,269.16      
07/01/1913  2,916,204,913.66      
07/01/1912  2,868,373,874.16      
07/01/1911  2,765,600,606.69      
07/01/1910  2,652,665,838.04      
07/01/1909  2,639,546,241.04      
07/01/1908  2,626,806,271.54      
07/01/1907  2,457,188,061.54      
07/01/1906  2,337,161,839.04      
07/01/1905  2,274,615,063.84      
07/01/1904  2,264,003,585.14      
07/01/1903  2,202,464,781.89      
07/01/1902  2,158,610,445.89      
07/01/1901  2,143,326,933.89      
07/01/1900  2,136,961,091.67      

* denotes a rounding up to nearest million

NOTE 1: The National Debt has not gone down (from year to year) since the end of the Dwight Eisenhower administration

[Airhead]

Toad, the phrase "He's bankrupting our country to fight a war" is a phrase invented by us, the Left. It is designed to scare voters into voting Dem in 2008- and for you to post a list showing a steady growth in our debt, regardless of who the President is, is dirty politics.

How DARE you bring facts, figures and logic to political debates! If you can't keep to denegration, name calling and buzz words then you shouldn't be discussing politics here. I'm not sure, but I think using logic is a violation of TOS...but I'll leave your potential banning up to Skuzzy.

[Steve]

Nah Cavy, I actually met up w/ an internet tough guy once.  Even w/ the two friends he brought, he wilted at my invitation to get out of his car and have a discussion.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Steve
Nah Cavy, I actually met up w/ an internet tough guy once.  Even w/ the two friends he brought, he wilted at my invitation to get out of his car and have a discussion.

LOL @ "Internet tough guy"

I guess you're the true internet toughguy, Toughguy

[Toad]

Originally posted by Airhead
How DARE you bring facts, figures and logic to political debates! If you can't keep to denegration, name calling and buzz words then you shouldn't be discussing politics here.

I am deeply apologetic! Please accept my most humble apologies.

1. I didn't know it was wrong.

2. I am truly sorry and I beg your forgiveness.

3. I promise never to do it again.

(For those of you that don't recognize it, this is the "rule of three" they taught me in the AF. It's useful in many situations; feel free to make it your own.)

[oboe]

I see the facts and figures, but where is the logic?

Or is the implication that the national debt is a nonissue because we've had one for so many years?

[Airhead]

Originally posted by oboe
I see the facts and figures, but where is the logic?

Or is the implication that the national debt is a nonissue because we've had one for so many years?

It's a nonissue because we've had one under so many administrations.

[oboe]

I think that could prove to be a foolish conclusion.

Things are quite different now than they were then.   Lots of things.