Ju52

[JB82]

I would like to see a JU52 put into AH.  I feel only having one type of transport plane is kind of boring.  Plus we would have a gunner which would be nice.

[Rafe35]

I would like to see that, JB82.

Junkers Ju-52/3m g7e would be nice to fix this game.  

[sullie363]

I think I managed one kill with a Ju52 in Warbirds, and those were auto guns, and was really good with getting an angle with those auto guns.

But yeah, I'd like to see it.

[warmcocoroos]

is the Junkers JU-52 a formidable for aces high II???  

 JUNKERS JU 52/3M


Junkers JU 52/3M
The Ju 52 trimotor, like the USAF C-47, was first built in the 1930s yet remained in service for more than a quarter century. This transport made its maiden flight in April 1931 and three years later a heavy bomber version appeared. The latter aircraft formed the nucleus of the Luftwaffe's infant bomber force in the mid-1930s and it was used during the Spanish Civil War.

The Ju 52 was obselete as a bomber by 1939, but because of its durability, simplicity of design, and handling characteristics it continued to serve throughout WW II as a versatile workhorse of the German transport fleet. For a period, Adolph Hitler used a Ju 52 as his private transport. Ju 52s delivered the attacking forces and their supplies during the German invasion of
Norway, Denmark, France and the Low Countries in 1940. Almost 500 Ju 52s participated in the historic airborne assualt on the island of Crete in May 1941 and Junkers later supplied Rommel's armored forces in North Africa.

Approximately 30 different countries have flown Ju 52s. The aircraft on display was donated to the Museum by the Spanish Government in 1971. Note: this particular aircraft is a CASA 352L.

SPECIFICATIONS
(transport version)
Span: 95 ft. 11 1/2 in.
Length: 62 ft. 0 in.
Height: 18 ft. 2 1/2 in.
Weight: 24,250 lbs. loaded
Armament: Four 7.9mm machine guns
Engines: Three BMW 132T-2 engines of 830 hp. ea.
Serial number: T.2B-244 (CASA 352L)

PERFORMANCE
(transport version)
Maximum speed: 178 mph.
Cruising speed: 134 mph.
Range: 810 miles
Service Ceiling: 19,360 ft.

[mechanic]

How about an Me323??  

[TrueKill]

yea we need  JU52 that can carry troops or bombs make it a 2 in 1 for us axis flyers

[Delirium]

A perk transport like the Me323 would be cool.

I'm not too sure a Ju52 would be a good idea tho, we would never seen C47s again. Heck, a 7.9mm MG is better than nothing at all...

[rabbidrabbit]

you would see more c-47's than 52s since they have a significant speed advantage.

[Karnak]

I would never sacrifice 45mph for the placebo defence of a single 7.92mm gun.

Do you really think that 7.92mm gun is a good thing to be firing back at an aircraft diving that is armed with two 20mm cannon and two 12.7mm guns or better?

The C-47A would be the more usable and survivable of the two.

[warmcocoroos]

ADDED: he 111-z (towplane)
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oohohohoohohohyhoohoho!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Ive been trying to find a pic of the 323, and, info on it forever, that thing is awesome, it could be the first ah vehicle transport, a tank or supp vehicle drives in (this would really only serve on aquad ops because people wil  be hard to recuit but it would still be awesome), and you could have some troops...  oh! sweet a 17.1 ton bomb!!!!:eek: ( maybe perkable?)
(couldnt remember name)

Messerschmitt Me 323

Type: Heavy Cargo Transport
Origin: Messerscmitt AG
Models: D And E
First Flight: Fall 1941
Service Delivery: May 1942
Final Delivery: March 1944

Engine: Gnome-Rhone 14N 48/49 14-Cylinder two row radials
Horsepower: 1,140
Number: Six

Dimensions:
Wing span: 55m (180 ft. 5.5 in.)
Length: 28.15m (92 ft. 4.25 in.)
Height: 10.15m (33 ft. 3.5 in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty: 27,330kg (60,260 lbs.)
Maximum: 43,000kg (94,815 lbs.)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 285km/h (177 mph) on tow
Initial climb: 710ft/min (216m/min)
Range: 684 miles (1100km)
Service Ceiling: 13,100 ft (4000m)

   Armament:
Five MG 15 mounted in nose mounts
Six Mg 34 infantry MG's in beam windows

Waffentraeger (Weapons Carrier)
11 20mm MG 151 cannon
and
4 13mm MG 131 Machine Guns

This version also carried several tonnes of armor and bulletproof glass. Eventually it was decided that escort fighters would be more effective and this version did not see wide-spread production.

Avionics:
N/A

Bomb load:
One 17.7 ton bomb was dropped in trials, though the aircraft crashed during the trials due to structural failure after the test aircraft had been straffed by Allied fighters days earlier.

Comment:
A powered derivative of the Me 321, the Me 323 proved to be a successful aircraft. Several variants were produced including a Gunship and bomber. This vulnerable transport suffered heavily at the guns of Allied fighters.



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possibly we could use its predacessor, a glider towed by 2 drone 110's, pilot in lead(3rd) 110 (or he111-z to reduce potency), untill drop, glider drone untill drop, (this could lead to an incredible "airbomb" if you have 6 people you could have 3 110's taking down hangars as a glider drops down and lands in city (city needs to be down. or you could do the less potent approach, and take the 323, i like em both

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Messerschmitt Me 321

Type: Heavy Cargo Glider
Origin: Messerscmitt AG
Models: A and B
First Flight: March 7, 1941
Service Delivery: June 1941
Final Delivery: April 1942

Engine: None

Dimensions:
Wing span: 55m (180 ft. 5.5 in.)
Length: 28.15m (92 ft. 4.25 in.)
Height: 10.15m (33 ft. 3.5 in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A

   Weights:
Empty: 12,400kg (27,432 lbs.)
Maximum: 34,400kg (75,852 lbs.)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 160km/h (99 mph) on tow
Initial climb: 492ft/min (150m/min) towed by 3 Bf 110's)
Range: N/A
Service Ceiling: N/A

Armament:
Two Twin 7.92mm MG 15 mounted in windows

Avionics:
N/A

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Heinkel He 111Z "Zwilling"

He 111Z-1
Type: Glider Tug
Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Crew: 7-9
First Flight: N/A
Service Delivery: N/A
Final Delivery: N/A
Production: 2 prototypes, 10 production Z-1s
Engine:
Model: Junkers Jumo 211F-2
Type: Liquid cooled inverted V-12
Number: Five       Horsepower: 1,350 hp
Dimensions:
Wing span: 35.20m (115 ft. 6 in.)
Length: 16.4m (53 ft. 9½ in.)
Height: 4m (13 ft. 1½ in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty: 47,300 lb. (21500 kg)
Loaded: 62,900 lb. (28600 kg.)
        Performance:
Maximum Speed:
  Unencumbered: 270 mph (435 kph)
  Towing one Me 321: 137 mph (220 kph)
  Towing two Go 242: 155 mph (250 kph)
Range: N/A

Service Ceiling: N/A
Armament:
Various, depending on 'donor' aircraft. Usually up to about 8 weapons, mainly 7.7mm MGs, also 13mm MGs and perhaps a 20mm cannon.
Variants:
He 111Z: Prototypes. 2 Built
He 111Z-1: Production version. 10 Built.
He 111Z-2: Proposed bomber version. None built.
Additional Images:
Image 1 - Close up of engines.
Image 2 - 3-view.
Image 3 - Inflight.
Image 4 - With starter cart.

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ME323
 ME321
HE111-Z zwilling
luftwaffe gliders


for more info on luftwaffe aircraft, goto:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/index.html

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Good old ah!

[frank3]

I find adding the Ju-52 a great idea, the C-47 would be faster, but the Ju-52 would have the defensive guns, so both would be flown alot

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Karnak
I would never sacrifice 45mph for the placebo defence of a single 7.92mm gun.

Do you really think that 7.92mm gun is a good thing to be firing back at an aircraft diving that is armed with two 20mm cannon and two 12.7mm guns or better?

The C-47A would be the more usable and survivable of the two.

Don't know, several spits have died to my 110s rear gun.  Many more died after I hit their oil and they could not see to fight anymore.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by dedalos
Don't know, several spits have died to my 110s rear gun.  Many more died after I hit their oil and they could not see to fight anymore.

I don't doubt it.  However you'd be better off against Spits if you Bf110 was 45mph faster and lacked the rear guns.

That is my point.  Not that the Ju-52 would never, ever get a kill with those guns, but that the C-47A's reduced transit time, which equates to reduced time for a fighter to kill you, will avoid more deaths than the guns on the Ju-52 will.


Oh, an oil hit would not save you from me or many others.  I have killed much harder to hit aircraft with oil over my canopy.

[JB42]

might be something to waste those useless bomber perks on.

Oh and btw, the Ju52/3M had a 13mm MG in the dorsal gun and 7.92 mm on each side.  With the ability to fire all trainable guns, that's plenty strong enough to defend itself.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by JB42
Oh and btw, the Ju52/3M had a 13mm MG in the dorsal gun and 7.92 mm on each side.  With the ability to fire all trainable guns, that's plenty strong enough to defend itself.

The Ki-67 and B-26B don't come close to being faster enough and gunned enough to defend themselves and they are much faster, vastly better gunned and, due to being built as warplanes instead of airliners, much tougher. Did I mention you get three of them?

Kid yourself all you like about the survivability of the Ju52-3M, but mark my words, it'll be less than the C-47A.


Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it added.  I'm just laughing at the expectations people have of it.  It would make a nice choice, slow and unarmed or very slow and lightly armed.

Ju52-3M perked.