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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2004, 05:22:41 PM »
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I loved Rummy's comeback, which is soooo historically true...

"We go to war with the Army we have, not the Army we wish we had..."

WTG! :D


glad that makes you feel better. But they are not going to war. they are at war. Guys that are waiting to go in country NOW are not equiped as they should be. Not guys that were waiting to go in country 2 years ago. The propoganda at the time was that the troops were the best equiped and led the world has ever seen. Now 2 years later guys are digging through scrap heaps to weld stuff to thier hummers to try and counter a problem that was revield in the invasion of Afganistan? And you think his evasive noncense was supposed to make the guys that have lost thier legs feel better?

How many vehicles have been made in the USA in the last 2 years..and they couldnt make 30 000 mine resistant vehicles for the troops?

what a load of crap.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2004, 05:42:45 PM »
I loved the comment by Stephen Colbert on The Daily Show: "It shows that incompetence is not enough to keep your job with this administration, it takes GROSS incompetence."
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2004, 06:18:35 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2004, 12:03:40 AM »
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I for one am vary glad he is staying as he knows his biz, not to mention he makes every liberals skin crawl
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He knows his biz, eh? So who was right about Iraq? Rumsfeld or Shineski?

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2004, 12:10:21 AM »
One question , Rip. Would you want him guiding your oldest son into battle? You only have one oldest son ya know.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2004, 01:15:07 AM »
What I wanna know.

Is why our armed forced have UNARMORED Humvees to begin with?

I was under the impression that one of the reasons we had them in the first place was because they were armored and offered our troops better protection.

Hell for the price we get ripped off for 1 humvee we coulda sent over 3-4 Suburbans that woulda done the same damn thing.

I figger you cant just Blame Bush and Rumsfeild on this one.
But everyone in Congress who agreed to buy these things as well
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2004, 01:31:08 AM »
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I for one am vary glad he is staying as he knows his biz, not to mention he makes every liberals skin crawl
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You think he knows his business? Bull. We're seriously understaffed and undersupplied in Iraq- if Rumsfeld knew what he was doing he'd have followed the advice of the Pentagon.

We need to either make a commitment of three hundred thousand troops in Iraq or we need to quit- we don't have the personnel to control the borders, even, and more terrorists are appearing every day than we can kill. This 'tweener attitude of 120,000 troops or so isn't enough.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2004, 11:21:52 AM »
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One question , Rip. Would you want him guiding your oldest son into battle? You only have one oldest son ya know.


Tweet: First off, its not my business whether or not he would be comfortable or not, that would be solely up to the son.

Would I feel comfortable knowing he was in charge? Absolutely.

Pongo, changes can't be made overnight, however I'm sure you do know that we're pumping out 400 humvees a month with extra armor, and we've been at production with this mod for a few months now.

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2004, 11:40:35 AM »
In addition to the three other links I posted in the other thread, see these two, especially the second one:

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=44598

http://www.missick.com/
(blog of a soldier who was there for the interview with SECDEF)
excerpt:
One more thing I would like to add is this, not one soldier present asked questions about why we were here, or expressed the sort of anti-war sentiment that Michael Moore led some to believe was prevalent in the military.  Rather, the concern was about ensuring we would be supplied with all necessary equipment to accomplish the mission and return home safely.  Let there be no doubt, this was not a hostile crowd eager to catch the Secretary of Defense off guard by grilling him with questions he has never had to answer.  This was a group of truly admirable American's and patriots, receiving confirmation from the man who controls the Department of Defense, that we have the full fledged moral, financial and logistical support, to accomplish the mission.  
 


An excerpt from the TacticalForums thread:

The other day the sec. of defense was here at my camp and addressed the troops
and answered questions. I guess a soldier made quite a stir back home by asking
why we had to dig through the trash for scrap metal to armour our vehicles. Well
the kid didn't know what he was talking about. We are placing armour kits on non
armoured vehicles, such as 5 ton trucks and some HMMWVs. We have drawn brand new
completely armoured HMMWVs which kick ass. In my 15 years of military experience
I have never recieved so much top notch gear. Better helmets, body armour,
boots, cold weather gear, sleeping bags, etc. The Army has spent alot of money
giving the troops what they need to fight and win. I guess the kid thinks he
should be driving a tank instead of a supply truck up north.

Take care everyone

Very Respectfully,
2LT Patrick L. Smith
A CO 1-111TH INF


I wanted to hear what those who are or who have been think or know about the situation.  I've grown tired of reading "news" reports that are marketed.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2004, 11:44:47 AM »
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look at all his buddies sitting beside him, they look astonished as to why he asked it



That's because a reporter planted teh question w/ the soldier.  It was a setup.
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2004, 12:19:36 PM »
wow
bet the dems are kicking themsleves for not stirring this up in late Oct

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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2004, 12:33:07 PM »
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I'm sure you do know that we're pumping out 400 humvees a month with extra armor, and we've been at production with this mod for a few months now.

Rip, I'm sure you are aware that we are sending National Guard units into combat with equiptment from the 1950's. The Humvees they have are ALL un-armoured. Odd thing is the units in country take their equiptment home with themwhen they leave. Every new NG unit we send takes the trucks and equiptment from the local NG armoury, none of which is armoured. The regular army units are getting the new armoured humvees first, then the NG units.
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2004, 12:50:50 PM »
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What I wanna know.

Is why our armed forced have UNARMORED Humvees to begin with?

I was under the impression that one of the reasons we had them in the first place was because they were armored and offered our troops better protection.

Hell for the price we get ripped off for 1 humvee we coulda sent over 3-4 Suburbans that woulda done the same damn thing.

I figger you cant just Blame Bush and Rumsfeild on this one.
But everyone in Congress who agreed to buy these things as well


Humvees were replacements for the Jeep, which was never armored, either.  It's not supposed to be an armored personnel carrier, but a utility truck with off-road capability.  Of course, once accepted, the Army started putting guns, antitank missiles, grenade launchers, and everything else they could think of on them.  This was to make up for the fact that we didn't have a vehicle like the Striker or LAV in the inventory.

Now, we desperately need a wheeled light armored vehicle for security (not heavy combat, although they look the same in some ways) duty, and are just now getting it.  We knew in 1991 that the need existed, but the previous administration dragged out the procurement process to save money and look good.  Now the development phase is over, we have the Striker in production, but don't have enough in inventory.

It's a sad situation, but not Rumsfeld's fault, or of anybody in the current administration.  The facts are that you can't aromor the humvee enough to survive RPG rounds or heavy MG rounds or roadside bombs or antitank mines.  The kevlar and metal armor they put on them is only for splinter protection.  You're still driving nothing more than an armed pickup truck into a firefight.  Essentially, the Somalis can do that just as well with a Toyota Tundra.



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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2004, 12:58:42 PM »
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Rip, I'm sure you are aware that we are sending National Guard units into combat with equiptment from the 1950's. The Humvees they have are ALL un-armoured. Odd thing is the units in country take their equiptment with them. Every new NG unit we send takes the trucks and equiptment from the local NG armoury, none of which is armoured. The regular army units are getting the new armoured humvees first, then the NG units.


In WW2, we sent our men to war with WW1 equipment. In Korea, the troops went to war with WW2 equipment.  In Vietnam, we went to war with Korean equipment.  Don't you see the pattern?

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2004, 01:07:15 PM »
I wouldn't like to send any son to war.  However, I'd rather have Rumsfeld in charge then a liberal or much worse, NATO or the UN generals.
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