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Offline Angus

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2004, 11:02:18 AM »
Take 1/4 tanks and DT's and go hunt Lala's.
Take the P51B.
Converge guns at max.
Good luck.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2004, 11:37:05 AM »
will the 51b hold a turn with the la7?  I know the d will hold even.

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2004, 11:42:18 AM »
Oh yeah, the B pony will turn with a lala. I typically take 50% fuel and DTs, drop one on the runway and the other when I get to the fight.Plane doesn't destabilize at all. I set convergence at 275. Flaps are the biggest thing with the pony IMO. Too much flap will getted you kilt! Pony looses speed fast with flap usage.Learn to use the flaps without loosing your mind and allot of turning planes can get a rude surprise.

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2004, 11:58:03 AM »
guess what I'm asking is will the b turn faster on the stall than the d...  I can just about hold even or slight gain on a la7 with a 50 % loaded d on the stall.

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2004, 12:10:29 PM »
Fight the ponies in the vertical and unload "g" when you're on the down side.  Use flaps only at the top when you're reversing and when you need a little nose up to square the corner for a shot.  Don't get caught in a slow-speed, level turn fight in them.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2004, 12:16:11 PM »
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Avoid my 190 with your 51at all costs, unless you have numbers superiority or yout fix'n to cherry pick me
Most of you will live alot longer

Heh, A good Pony pilot will eat yours or any other 190 for Brunch.:p, all else being equal. Although, the toughest 190 I ever faught was HSPD in a 190-A4. But that was in AW. The A4 in there, at least, flew like a Pony.
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2004, 12:38:42 PM »
IMHO the Pony D is the best non-perk ride.  However, with the eny limitations placed on you by HiTech with a numbers inbalance, you can't always fly it.

A good pony pilot can eat 190's for lunch.  A great 190 Pilot will normally take out a good Pony pilot.  

My tip on flying the PonyD?  (From when I used to fly it)

In a fight stay fast; above 350mph, 400 is about perfect.  
be aggressive, shoot only when close, convergence at about 250, learn to use flaps, and turn off Combat Trim when fighting.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2004, 02:07:31 PM »
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... and turn off Combat Trim when fighting.


Combat Trim? What's that? seriously though, a couple yrs ago someone told me to turn ct off. At first I thought it was nuts, but once I got used to manual trim, I never looked back. I forget it's even an option now. Just every once in a while I'll fly straight n lvl, hit the autopilot button on/off real quick to get things neutral again, and then continue on wit bizness. But never do I even think of the combat trim feature.

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2004, 02:09:58 PM »
I have no idea how to fly the P-51D

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2004, 02:20:34 PM »
the pony rules, keep your stick movements smooth and use our flaps WHENEVER TURNING!!!!! and dont run (gies for you LA7 users also) :aok

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2004, 02:35:40 PM »
OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?

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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2004, 02:46:08 PM »
a tip to practice : learn to hide your stored "E" and using the No G load climb "zoom climb" , reversing direction 180 degrees in a dogfight maintaining 150 to 200 IAS and doing it so fast the guy thinks your cheating!

Maybe this is why I have peaked as far my skills are concerned. I dont know what the hell you just said TC.


I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs

 Why not burn wing tanks first? I was under the immpression this would help the roll rate. And where are you going that you need 75% and DTs in a pony? Maybe you live longer than I do:D

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2004, 03:07:40 PM »
dadrabit, the pony B is a great turner and will turn with la7s and la5s.

i doubt you will remember but we had a fight in the MA along time ago, i think i was named spofer then, you dived on my B stang with an La5 and after a long fight i mannaged to shot you down, i remember this fight well because i was low on fuel and was on the way back to landing. :)

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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2004, 03:07:47 PM »
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a tip to practice : learn to hide your stored "E" and using the No G load climb "zoom climb" , reversing direction 180 degrees in a dogfight maintaining 150 to 200 IAS and doing it so fast the guy thinks your cheating!

Maybe this is why I have peaked as far my skills are concerned. I dont know what the hell you just said TC.


I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs

 Why not burn wing tanks first? I was under the immpression this would help the roll rate. And where are you going that you need 75% and DTs in a pony? Maybe you live longer than I do:D



ok,  hiding your E state is a way to try and make the enemy think you are slower ( in speed ) than you actually are, you can use lag pursuit to do this ( point nose behind/below  the 6 of the enemy ) mantaining distance or slightly giving up a small increment to make him think he is faster than you so he will reverse back to you or try to climb out on you, except you are fooling him and crawl up his backside and fill him full of 6 50's,  if you are coming at an enemy and are fast, angle your path slightly away from him, make him come to you, keep your speed up, he will think you are slower than him by the closer rate, not a 90 degree angle off, think 10 deg, 15 deg max... then when he gets with in say the 2k  1.5k range you can show your E ( speed ) climb out on him,  rope him, whatever you think the situation calls for.... WldThing  and Shane both are very good at this..Urchin (rawr ) also... now the P51D ( B as well ) can turn on the dime if you fly it right, with out ever dropping the speed below 150/200  but it takes practice

I normally am fighting any plane I am flying in the game with 75% fuel to 50% fuel, I am not in the DA, so I never fly with 25% or 50% and no drop tanks,  
but if I do get low on fuel, my plane performs that much better for me, but usually if I am in a Hog around the 3/8 mark on the main tank it is time to RTB... around 25% to 20% in the P51 for me.......

alot of players fly with 50% and 25% and in my on opinion prob couldn't do 1/2 of the manuevers they pull if they was 75% to 100% fuel....I prob get called on that assumption though!

You hear alot saying keep it fast, never drop below 250 or 300 etc......well, no matter what I am flying there will be times a fight will get very very slow near a snails crawl! so it is important to know how your steed will react thru out the entire envelope 500 IAS all way down to 0 IAS...the reason I trim my plane out in level flight is so I can gain the most out of it, If I am going vertical I do not want to have the nose up and over because trim is all way up on the elevator, if I am trimmed out as I described I can almost peg the speedo needle at 25 IAS to 0 if'in I have too..most times I prob get down around 70 to 80 though in a knife fight

might I add, I have seen some of the weirdest spins/wobbles/stalls from people using CT when slow and it has their elevator trimmed to the max UP, with the way I have ine trimmed, I actually feel like I can regain E faster when I nose down because I am not fighting the CT ( does this make sense to anyone? )

I am just your average flyer here, but I encourage all to practice and push your plane to the breaking point / edge of the flight envelope from high speed to no speed! hope I explained my thoughts to you good enough :-)
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2004, 03:08:57 PM »
Its simple really, come into any fight at least 15k make one pass dive for the deck and run like hell.