Author Topic: Some pictures of my car... Its DONE now... (Read 1017 times)

Morpheus · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2004, 08:20:35 AM »

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Cool pics! Do many others use the twin turbo's for 1/4 mile racing? Most of the tricked out Mustangs I have seen racing (all televised) used superchargers.

Thanks stan. Its actually becoming much more popular to run turbos, or a turbo. A big single is much more popular for the track, but a street/strip car, twins are much better suited.

Superchargers were always more popular for a few reasons. 1 They are cheaper. 2, they require less effort to install. and 3 They are cheaper.

A supercharger kit, if you were to buy, would run you about $2000, give or take. Thats the going rate now adays for the street cars out there.

A turbo kit, either twin, or a big single, will most often run $4000-5000 depending on the manufacture you go with. For the newer cars, such as the mustang cobras, or GTs, a twin turbo kits are going for up and over $8000 dollars. So you can see why some find superchargers more apealing.

But, many people like me are finding it much cheaper, and not all that more difficult to just get a set of turbos, or a turbo, and fabricate all of the other components on your own.

A little welding, some trips to the hardware store, home depot, pepboys, and thank god for SUMMIT racing products, and you can build your own set up.

Here is a cool video, I think I may have posted this once before. Sorry if I did and am doing it again. All turbo cars, mostly from around here... Many of us got our cool videos together, either of track days/nights, or some fun on the street. And the turbo mustang shootout highlights which I was unable to attend due to my car being in the garage all summer! lol Its a cool video to watch. Lots of fast, turbo mustangs.
TMC Video (Please right click and save as)

Morpheus · « **Reply #31 on:** December 10, 2004, 08:40:13 AM »

blair thats awsome man! Id love to see some pics of your progress! I have become literally obsessed with turbo cars... Mainly mustangs! But I always love to look at another project in the works!

Here is my intercooler.

Its from TDC, rated at 860 hp. It hangs down ALOT in the front. I had to "delete" my front bumper leaving only the bumper cover. Thats the price you have to pay I guess for having a larger intercooler. I was going to take the bumper out and knotch it out where the interecooler was going to be but by the time I would have gotten done, there would be little left to be called a bumper. So i opted for deletion entrely.

With my boost... I started off at 5psi. That was on initial startup. I wanted to make sure the motor wasnt going to lean out, and if it did I wanted to see when and were along the power curve. So we loaded it up on the trailer and took it to the dyno for tuning. First pull was very rich. I have DFI or digital fuel injection which is bascily a computer controlled system that controls fuel delivery, ignition ect, via a laptop from inside the car. We started playing around with air/fuel and then brought the boost up from there. It sits now at 14psi. It ended up dynoing at 798 rwhp and 813 rwtq. 14psi is a bit much for the street. And the cool thing about turbo chargers, is you can control how much boost your going to make or want to make from inside the car with the puch of a few buttons. I'm done with the motor. Or my funds for the motor are. If I put any more into it I wont be able to do what I want to the rest of the car. It needs a cage, D/S safty loop, I need a scatter sheild now, and a bunch more safty crap. All small and relatively cheap things but they take time to do. I will be back halfing the car this winter and hopfully get it track worthy by the spring. Thats my next big project. And I know its going to be a nighmare already.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #32 on:** December 10, 2004, 09:26:07 AM »

Morph,

Sweet ride man. BTW, is that a 1990 GT? Damn fine job, I'm gonna get out that way from here in Michigan and ride shotgun.

Karaya

Maverick · « **Reply #33 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:01:31 AM »

Looks very nice. I wonder how fun it will be to do maintenance on it now that it is so crowded in there.

BTW are you going to insulate the brake master cylinder. That plastic resevior looks to be very close to the exhaust and I'd be concerned about heating the fluid much less melting the resevior. Losing the brakes could be inconvenient.

slimm50 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:12:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
Can you like, post a pic of the WHOLE car?

I dont care much for engines..

ROTFLMFAO!!...Man, that's cold!

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:23:48 AM »

Morph
That is some impressive stuff.

I can turn wrenches on old cars, but the new cars always seemed to complicated... Huge ~~for figuring it all out.~~

Vipermann · « **Reply #36 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:25:58 AM »

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Originally posted by hblair
Morpheus, maybe I missed it but what kind of intercooler are you running? Say its a stroker? How many #'s of boost are your wastegates set up for?

Looks great. Do you hang out at turbomustangs.com? Lotsa useful info over there. I've got a '88 rx-7 with a 88 302 HO in it with a powerstroke turbo I'm building. Had to slow down recently. Been spending too much money on it. I've got two late eighties probe GT intercoolers I welded together that'll be my intercooler. They fit between the rails with 1/2" to spare on each side.

Nice lookin build.

I weep for that poor mutilated RX-7.

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:36:14 AM »

very nice morph. I agree that there seems to be a time barrier at this point... 12 sec cars are, or can be very streetable but when you get below that you really start turning them into special purpose cars that aren't very practical.

I admit that turbos are probly the way to go to get usagble HP especialy if you are running fuel injection.. your car at 3100 or so pounds is getting a lot of hp and torque per pound. you should easily get into the 10's except.... not in street trim. you can't get enough traction in street trim that is practical to drive to get into the 10's ... If you change suspension and rear end and tires to get the bite you need you have a nightmare to drive on a daily basis.

my comfort threshold is the 12's ... I did it in a much more primitive way. with two cars in two primitive ways. for the fat el camino at 3700 lbs I knew I had to have very low gearing and gobs of torque but... I needed to have a car with airconditioning and a good ride and the ability to handle corners well... A 468 at about 450hp and a six speed worked out... the first four gears are like running the quarter with an old 4.56 big block car 6th gives me a comfortable 2200 rpm 70mph the car is beefy and so is the drivetrain. A supercharger would make sense on this non injected car but... it is so darn reliable now that I hesitate.

My Healey is a 2000 lb car so uses a short stroke 331 with all mechanical lifters and antique hot rod stuff and double pumper holley etc... it is a 4 speed car and has very little low end torque... It doesn't need it to move 2000 lbs it is at 3000 rpm before you can get your foot off the clutch.

anyhow.... your car is a far superior comprimise. I would say that it should be far more capable and flexible than either of mine except..... you can't haul a washer and dryer in it or run with no top and the windsheild folded down...

I had two 302 mustangs both mild mods. I was shocked at how easy these cars are to get HP out of and how capable they are for the price.

lazs

Morpheus · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2004, 11:33:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Looks very nice. I wonder how fun it will be to do maintenance on it now that it is so crowded in there.

BTW are you going to insulate the brake master cylinder. That plastic resevior looks to be very close to the exhaust and I'd be concerned about heating the fluid much less melting the resevior. Losing the brakes could be inconvenient.

Basicly the only luxury I have lost here, is the speed at which I could change plugs. But its still not all that difficult to do. I've done it once or twice already. It certainly isn't easier than before though.

As far as the BMC goes. Its close, but I've had the down pipes and the headers jet hot coated which greatly reduce radient heat. I've also, just as a precaution, wraped them. With the car sitting at an idle, after 3 pulls at the dyno there was no signs of anything melting. I dont think there will be any problems there. This set up is alot more "roomier" than some of the others I've seen. But it still lacks in space compared to a stock 5 liter. The wider 408ci engine took up enough space as it was. I was very doubtful if I'd even get the tubos to fit in the engine bay. My other option, and a better one now that I look back on things would be to put the turbos down and towards the front of the car. Which would be just infront of the fenders and have the turbo compressor housings just inside where the fog lights would be. Mustang GT owners know that there is alot of room for cold air intake pipes when you get rid of those big, ugly fog lights and replace them with somthing much more useful. But I wanted to get this done within a relatively short and resonable time span. Going that rout would have taken me much, much longer. But I'll be ok with this set up. And I'm happy with the way it looks.

Oh, did any of you guys check out the video I posted? Its not the best of download times but IT IS worth the wait. Makes the hair on your kneck stand up. hehe 8)

-MZ- · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2004, 12:14:24 PM »

Turbo mustangs are kind of rare, Superchargers are much more common.

Is that a Cobra badge on the fender?

indy007 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2004, 01:08:54 PM »

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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
As far as the BMC goes. Its close, but I've had the down pipes and the headers jet hot coated which greatly reduce radient heat. I've also, just as a precaution, wraped them. With the car sitting at an idle, after 3 pulls at the dyno there was no signs of anything melting. I dont think there will be any problems there. This set up is alot more "roomier" than some of the others I've seen. But it still lacks in space compared to a stock 5 liter. The wider 408ci engine took up enough space as it was. I was very doubtful if I'd even get the tubos to fit in the engine bay. My other option, and a better one now that I look back on things would be to put the turbos down and towards the front of the car. Which would be just infront of the fenders and have the turbo compressor housings just inside where the fog lights would be. Mustang GT owners know that there is alot of room for cold air intake pipes when you get rid of those big, ugly fog lights and replace them with somthing much more useful. But I wanted to get this done within a relatively short and resonable time span. Going that rout would have taken me much, much longer. But I'll be ok with this set up. And I'm happy with the way it looks.

I think you picked a good spot. Moving the turbo housings further away increases the lag. It's the reason why a WRX takes a bit to start spooling up. It may be very minor increases, but everything helps

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2004, 01:13:35 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
very nice morph. I agree that there seems to be a time barrier at this point... 12 sec cars are, or can be very streetable but when you get below that you really start turning them into special purpose cars that aren't very practical.

I admit that turbos are probly the way to go to get usagble HP especialy if you are running fuel injection.. your car at 3100 or so pounds is getting a lot of hp and torque per pound. you should easily get into the 10's except.... not in street trim. you can't get enough traction in street trim that is practical to drive to get into the 10's ... If you change suspension and rear end and tires to get the bite you need you have a nightmare to drive on a daily basis.

my comfort threshold is the 12's ... I did it in a much more primitive way. with two cars in two primitive ways. for the fat el camino at 3700 lbs I knew I had to have very low gearing and gobs of torque but... I needed to have a car with airconditioning and a good ride and the ability to handle corners well... A 468 at about 450hp and a six speed worked out... the first four gears are like running the quarter with an old 4.56 big block car 6th gives me a comfortable 2200 rpm 70mph the car is beefy and so is the drivetrain. A supercharger would make sense on this non injected car but... it is so darn reliable now that I hesitate.

My Healey is a 2000 lb car so uses a short stroke 331 with all mechanical lifters and antique hot rod stuff and double pumper holley etc... it is a 4 speed car and has very little low end torque... It doesn't need it to move 2000 lbs it is at 3000 rpm before you can get your foot off the clutch.

anyhow.... your car is a far superior comprimise. I would say that it should be far more capable and flexible than either of mine except..... you can't haul a washer and dryer in it or run with no top and the windsheild folded down...

I had two 302 mustangs both mild mods. I was shocked at how easy these cars are to get HP out of and how capable they are for the price.

lazs

Damn Penelope Pitstop cars. If you ain't got a turbo you ain't chit!

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2004, 01:23:46 PM »

so I am told funked.

lazs

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2004, 01:50:11 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
I think you picked a good spot. Moving the turbo housings further away increases the lag. It's the reason why a WRX takes a bit to start spooling up. It may be very minor increases, but everything helps

Well that and the fact that a 120 ci LEV engine with 8.0 compression ratio can't move much gas below 3000 rpm. It's got 3 @#$@#$ cats. Thank God for left foot braking.

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2004, 01:58:15 PM »

no turbo lag with blowers. still... I thought two small turbos were better than one large one so far as lag?

with two turbos and 400 inches in a 3100 lb car... very much lag seems unlikely.

lazs