Author Topic: Rumsfeld Armor Question Planted by Reporter (Read 738 times)

Pongo · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2004, 01:22:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Pongo, got any stats on how many roadside IEDs there were in the from about April 2003 to early October 2003?

Were there just hundreds and hundreds or maybe 30-40? 5-6 a month?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2004/10/13/pf-667700.html

I know it doenst matter what the stat is youll defend the idiots.

Yeager · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2004, 01:34:37 AM »

I know it doenst matter what the stat is youll defend the idiots.
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moving target pongo, please stay still.....

Pongo · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2004, 01:39:47 AM »

Hes just makeing more and more desparate excuses.
"theres no way they could have known that it would be dangerous in Iraq!"

"Theres no way they could have known that there were no WMD"

its just pathetic.

Why is it bush suporters only see what cant be done. Imagine if you could rely on the excellence and imagination of your leadership instead of thier narrow mindedness and dishonesty.
Imagine if guys like Toad didnt have to waste thier time comming up with excuses for thier leaders lies and failures and blunders.

what a waste.

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** December 11, 2004, 04:11:29 AM »

Doesn't matter?

Your whole case is "they should have known".

Prove your case. Show us the indicators that YOU read back in 2001.

Fact is, it wasn't till late 2003 that this became a major tactic.

I didn't vote for Bush, so your "Bush supporters" argument is blown too.

What you're seeing is my attitude towards armchair generals with 20/20 hindsight, General.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #34 on:** December 11, 2004, 09:05:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Not really, since what he was saying was a lie.

Lie or no lie, for a soldier in the US military to stand up in front of the Secretary of defense and ask an embarissing question is balsy. Id be interested in seeing if he makes it through the war alive.
By the way, did you notice the applause givin to the soldier by the others soldiers? I take that as a 'yea, what he said' kind of thing.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #35 on:** December 11, 2004, 09:19:07 AM »

Pongo, there is absolutely no shame in all in supporting our troops. The troops said they needed armor long ago and it still hasnt been suppleid.
For somebody to imply that is standard operating procedures to armor your own vehicle is the testimony of an 'armchair general'.
Yes, if you are seperated from the supply lines and in the thick of a conventional battlefront, you may want to make your vehicle as secure as possible with whatever means possible, including, but not limited to, sacks filled with sand or dirt.
If you are on routine patrols in an occupying role, through obvioulsy hostile terrirtory and the humvee armor plating facility is operationg at 25% capacity, one may wonder why they are forced to use 'last resort' methods to protect themselves instead of having the professionals do it for them.
Thus the question was posed for Rumsfeld, by those who know the best, the troops in harms way.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #36 on:** December 11, 2004, 09:20:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Doesn't matter?

Your whole case is "they should have known".

Prove your case. Show us the indicators that YOU read back in 2001.

Fact is, it wasn't till late 2003 that this became a major tactic.

What you're seeing is my attitude towards armchair generals with 20/20 hindsight, General.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #37 on:** December 11, 2004, 11:03:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Doesn't matter?

Your whole case is "they should have known".

Prove your case. Show us the indicators that YOU read back in 2001.

Fact is, it wasn't till late 2003 that this became a major tactic.

I didn't vote for Bush, so your "Bush supporters" argument is blown too.

What you're seeing is my attitude towards armchair generals with 20/20 hindsight, General.

Toad, our guys have been driving humvees down hostile roads since the beginning of the war. Anybody could have planned for the possibility of small arms fire and mines. A war planner would have to be severly shortsighted in not planning for this.
Our fighting men should not be put in a position to beg for adequate protection.

AKIron · « **Reply #38 on:** December 11, 2004, 11:11:04 AM »

Soldiers complain? What a novelty.

If they need armor and like others have said, embarrassing their leaders expedite getting it, who cares? Those jumping on this in hopes of furthering their political agenda only expose themselves for the low lifes they are.