Author Topic: Airbus 380 (Read 1125 times)

mora · « **Reply #30 on:** December 12, 2004, 10:30:57 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The plane is cool. I'm just waiting for the huge dissapointments when people realize all those fancy bars, shopping malls, workout rooms, casinos and whatever else shown were just so much marketing fluff as they cram into coach class in a 600 seat A380..

Only thing that might be profitable might be a small casino on the cargo deck. Certainly the stuff depicted in this picture is not gonna happen:

Creamo · « **Reply #31 on:** December 12, 2004, 10:44:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Golfer
Pretty airplane, I am not flying on the damn thing.

Boeing, Going, 'nuff said.

You have been obvious enough (AGAIN) that you like the ring of that "not going if it's not boeing" rhyme. Should I post the real safety numbers, or will you just please stfu, and admit if it was $200 less to fly an Airbus, you would be the first retard in line checking 70 extra lbs of baggage?

Hawklore · « **Reply #32 on:** December 12, 2004, 10:56:02 AM »

Where is the Ho house?

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #33 on:** December 12, 2004, 01:07:28 PM »

Brother of my Gf working on the Slaps & Flaps A380.
He actually test it under simmulated flying on ground (ie: minus 60°, 9000 m ect.)
He says this thing HAVE to fly or his company is over

He will get some of the first tickets for the A380 the first few
flights for the press ect. I really hope to get 1 ticket too!

R
Gh0stFT

Dinger · « **Reply #34 on:** December 12, 2004, 02:10:27 PM »

now that is a great picture. Business and First class, no steerage, staterooms, casino, bar, restaurant and pantry.
The only thing that rings true about that is the three toilets total.

Gixer · « **Reply #35 on:** December 12, 2004, 04:00:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Creamo
You have been obvious enough (AGAIN) that you like the ring of that "not going if it's not boeing" rhyme. Should I post the real safety numbers, or will you just please stfu, and admit if it was $200 less to fly an Airbus, you would be the first retard in line checking 70 extra lbs of baggage?

Actually no.,

Problem is there are few airports that can handle the A380 if I wan't to fly to ORD I'd rather take a 777 that can take me straight there. Rather then a A380 which will have to land at JFK or maybe LAX and then having to board another flight to ORD.

Therefore not only being alot more expensive then the initial $200 Atlantic hop saving but alot longer as well. People these day's prefer to fly to their destination rather then a HUB.

~~...-Gixer~~

Golfer · « **Reply #36 on:** December 12, 2004, 04:25:19 PM »

Creamo:

It's not a matter of price. When it comes right down to it I can't trust an Airbus. Any airplane that can and has betrayed its pilots by allowing its computer control program to rip off a control surface...it's not happening.

The A300 (and have no reason to think anything different of the 380) rudder requires 1.5 inches of pedal travel for full deflection of the rudder at 250 knots. At 250 kts it only requres 37.5 pounds of force to move the pedal that distance.

at 300 knots, only one inch is reqired for full deflection and force needed is 30 lbs. All it takes is one bump of turbulence or a sneeze to tap the rudder to full deflection and you've overstressed a critical flight control and stabilizer.

That is information taken out of the May 2003 issue of Flying Magazine. The Jumpseat column written by Les Abend. He is a fairly senior captain at American Airlines, flyes 757s and 767s. He was also assigned as an investigator to the crash and I like to think he'd know a good bit about the info since he was in on the investigation.

Thanks to Expedia.com for allowing me to choose my aircraft type and seating option. And just for fun...

"If it's not Boeing, I'm not going"

Nashwan · « **Reply #37 on:** December 12, 2004, 04:47:27 PM »

Haven't more Boeings been lost to rudder failures than Airbuses? Offhand I can think of a single Airbus, 2 737s.

mora · « **Reply #38 on:** December 12, 2004, 04:47:30 PM »

And how many A300's have been downed by a bump of turbulence? It's so convenient to forget all the Boeings that have crashed for mechanical reasons. Infact I can think of several Boeing crashes caused by a mechanical failure(rudder hardovers, engine separation, inflight reverser deployment), but not a single Airbus one.

Btw, here's the final report of the AA 587, which puts the blame on the FO(from page 159 onwards):

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0404.pdf

On page 161 it says that only A300 and A310 have the very sensitive rudder control system.

Gixer · « **Reply #39 on:** December 12, 2004, 05:48:13 PM »

Rather then a Boeing vs Airbus and who has the best planes. I think this is more an argument of who has the best plan for future air travel.

As for once we have the two major aircraft manufactures going in different directions. Airbus with a even bigger whale then the Jumbo and Boeing with the 7E7.

Be interesting to see which one the airlines accept as being most cost effective ,efficent and popular.

Initial problem for the A380 is going to be a limited number of airports that can handle the big plane. Although more are in the works to complete construction and cater for it. Most seem to be dragging their heals as a wait and see before commiting to such a big project.

In addition to that you also have the problem of suitable alternative airports in any flightplan and safety regulations.

I hope the A380 fly's and does well as it's good for compition. And that we won't see a repeat of what the US tried did to the Concorde when it first started flying trans atlantic routes.

~~...-Gixer~~

Sparks · « **Reply #40 on:** December 13, 2004, 06:30:19 AM »

A380 isn't about using lots of different airports, it's about using slots at busy hubs more profitably. Places like Heathrow JFK etc there just isn't any more slot space so if you want to run more passengers then you need to put more throught the slot sapce you have + bigger planes.

7E7 is a good concept but it is relying on its efficiencies to sell it to replace existing aicraft - big gamble.

A380's unknown is going to be maintaining the sodding thing. New materials, new systems (e.g. electric doors), new scale (wonder what a main wheel change will look like on a windy day ??)