Author Topic: HiTech: How will the claims by Northrop on 1C Maddox inpact on AH.  (Read 714 times)

Offline TexMurphy

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This is really alarming development imho.

Dont know if you peeps know what has been going on.

But Northrop has claimed a, supposingly, very high fee for the use of Northrop linked equipment in Pacific Fighters. This affects the following "brands" Northrop, Grumman, Republic and Vought.

Supposingly the French publisher did pay these fees.

Here are a few links on the subjcect:

http://www.igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?threadid=13370

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=4941020452

This really could be the doom of small flight sim projects. Because if all companies involved in WW2 start claiming money for use of their "name" then we could see claims for everything from guns, bombs to planes, tanks and everything.

I for sure dont wana fly a game where the planes are named

IL-2 = JL-2
Yak9 =Dab-9
P-47 = R-147
P-51 = R-151

ect ect...

This is very alarming.

Any comments how this impacts on AH?

Tex

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HiTech: How will the claims by Northrop on 1C Maddox inpact on AH.
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2004, 08:05:50 AM »
My first thought is that most plane designations come from the military. P-51, F4U, etc were not designations from the company - they were military designations. I suspect it is the same in other countries. Il-2 is the Soviet designation for plane type 2 from the Ilyushin design bureau. If anybody owns the right to the designation, it is the respective governments.

Not sure about the names, although I know of recent cases of U.S. equipment where the manufacturer's name was rejected. Don't know if the manufacturer came up with a new one or the military designated one. In either case, I doubt the name was trademarked or copyrighted - especially in the 1940s.

A virtual representation of an aircraft would not violate any patents since no actual part or process was produced or used. Performance data would certainly be public domain.

The only place I could see a potential valid point is in the use of the company name in association with a piece of equipment. If HTC says the Aces High F4U Corsair is armed with Browning .50 cal machine guns, I guess he could, in some narrow-minded, money-hungry corporate lawyer's mind, be using the Browning name to turn a profit. I sure the legallese would be:
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the Aces High virtual F4U Corsair (not in any way associated with Northrop - Grumman, its subsidiaries, or any company, past or present, who designed, built, or serviced real F4U Corsairs),  uses virtual .50 cal machine guns whose performance is based on historical data for .50 cal machine guns in use by the U.S. Navy for carrier based aircraft at the time.

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HiTech: How will the claims by Northrop on 1C Maddox inpact on AH.
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2004, 08:57:55 AM »
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,4317,00.html

Who's says it doesnt effect AH? The above story is from '97.

What happened with UBI and IC Maddox hasn't been fully revealed. Latest thing Oleg said was UBI did the right thing. He has said maybe with sometime he will explain the whole thing. It the mean time he just won't include any more Northrop/Grumman aircraft  for FB/AEP/PF. He never planned on including those aircraft to begin with.

You need to remember that Pacific Fighters was to be a 3rd party design. Who was it that was reponsible to printing the box and ensuring all the legal I's and T's were dotted and crossed? UBI, IC Maddox or the 3rd group that were the ones behind Pacific Fighters?

UBI paid the licensing fees so any legal arguement about should they have is moot. They recognized Northrop/Grumman's trademarked 'products'. I am sure a comapny the size of UBI has better lawyers then the folks who post on these forums (across the net).

Oleg said UBI handled it correctly but in the future he just won't bother with certain aircraft. There's 200+ aircraft in FB/AEP/PF. The specific aricraft immediatly effected were the P47N and F4U-4. Those were ready or near ready for release but now will go to the Russian market only.

It may send the allied farm bois runnign about like chickens with their heads cut off but as far as I am concerned 'big whup'.

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HiTech: How will the claims by Northrop on 1C Maddox inpact on AH.
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2004, 09:01:39 AM »
I don't think HTC will respond as every word they gonna say about it could be used to speculate new storys.

But i bet they watch all this very closely.

HTC is a US company they know how to deal with or prevent claims.

Oleg and the french company UBIsofty.
obviously didn't.

A big downer dough the il2 series is a diamond in the flightsim community.

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HiTech: How will the claims by Northrop on 1C Maddox inpact on AH.
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2004, 10:29:56 AM »
HTC doesn't sell the front end game - it's free :)

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2004, 10:38:34 AM »
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HTC doesn't sell the front end game - it's free :)

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GREAT point....


i'll bet it puts them in some leagal loophole
I don't know what to put here yet.

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HiTech: How will the claims by Northrop on 1C Maddox inpact on AH.
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 10:54:40 AM »
I haven't seen anything besides speculation about this. I doubt it is true.

Offline TexMurphy

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2004, 02:49:09 PM »
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I haven't seen anything besides speculation about this. I doubt it is true.


Olegg him self on the UBI forums has said that this type of claim has been made.

Tex