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Offline VOR

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« on: December 15, 2004, 09:13:58 PM »
Anyone here ever been a victim? I've recently had my visa check card number (somehow) compromised and used to purchase a few things online. The issue is currently under investigation, but until it's complete I'm out several hundred dollars from my bank acct. Ahh, the information age....

Anyway, I'm not concerned so much about the $ since it will be reimbursed to me; instead, I'm a little concerned with learning how my digits became available considering a) I've never used it for an online transaction of any kind b) I've only used it to purchase fuel at the pump and as an ATM card as needed and c) it's never been misplaced or accessible to anyone other than myself or my wife. I thought at first that I might have thrown away a receipt which was recovered, but I don't think all the necessary info is ever printed on them anyway. This narrows the possibilities down to...an employee at the bank that issued the card?

Anyone ever had this happen, or have any ideas about how this might have happened? Also, what are the odds of catching a saavy digital crook who may know how to cover his tracks?

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2004, 09:19:42 PM »
There are ways people can get into company databases, at the oil company, at a department store, etc.  Doesn't have to be the bank, someone at a point of purchase has the information in order to bill you, and can use that information illicitly.

Send me your CC and banking information, and I'll track down the culprit, and then get back to you.  Honest
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2004, 09:26:06 PM »
when using your debit card after you complete your transaction always hit the cancel key. This will lessen the possibility that your PIN will be read by bad guys, especially at gas pumps they are notorious for being used by identity thieves.  Restaurants are also suspect because the server actually takes your card to a POS unit many times away from your presence.

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2004, 10:56:00 PM »
" thought at first that I might have thrown away a receipt which was recovered, but I don't think all the necessary info is ever printed on them anyway."



Many receipts include the entire card number and expiration date.  That, in many cases, is enough to use the card, especially if the bad guy knows your adress.   May be a garbage diver.

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2004, 10:59:03 PM »
People are quick to assume someone stole their number because they used it online, but it's much more likely that some clerk copied the info for themselves.

Next time you use your card in person, look at the guy/girl who's handling your card.  It's easy as pie for them to write down your number then give it to a website.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2004, 11:35:07 PM »
There should be mandatory jail time for this BS, ID theft can turn your life upside down and it is up to you to straighten it out. This is more than stealing a bike out of a backyard, or even stealing a car. ID theft = one year mandatory jail time, at least.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2004, 07:04:32 AM »
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ID theft = one year mandatory jail time, at least.


if it was my CC and Ident.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2004, 07:35:55 AM »
One of my Ex's relatives stole over $50,000 worth of stuff (that they know of) using other people's credit cards. She even created new accounts using their information. She got 3 years probation. What a joke.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2004, 09:31:07 AM »
As of Jan 1 2005, it is unlawful for any business that issues electronic receipts to have your complete credit card number appear on any copy of the receipt.

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2004, 09:35:55 AM »
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As of Jan 1 2005, it is unlawful for any business that issues electronic receipts to have your complete credit card number appear on any copy of the receipt.


Sounds good.  I'm guessing that does not apply if you have to make an imprint of the card (for those that don't swipe properly or when machines are down)?

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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2004, 09:38:35 AM »
You can get free credit reports, I do 3 each year.

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2004, 10:43:40 AM »
I have had a fraudulant charge in the past. It was spotted by the bank and my account was credited. Now that this was posted today I got an e-mail about another scam. I didn't snope it but it sounds plausible. Here is the "report" I got today.



Subject: FW: HEADS UP

 They are getting more creative every day. Not even employees are safe.
 Please take a moment to read the story of fraud below.
 New Credit Card Scam

 This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA &
 MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to
 protect yourself.
 
 Those con artists get more creative every day.
 My husband was called on Wednesday from "VISA", and I was called on
 Thursday from "MasterCard".

 The scam works like this: Person calling says, "this is (name), and I'm
 calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is> 12460 Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm
 calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by
 (name of bank). Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99
 from a Marketing company based in Arizona?"

 When you say "No", the caller continues with, "Then we will be issuing a
 credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the
 charges range from $297 to $497, just under the $500 purchase pattern that
 flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to
 (gives you your address), is that correct?"
 
 You say "yes". The caller continues - "I will be starting a Fraud
 investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 1-800 number
 listed on the back of your card (1-800-VISA) and ask for Security. You> will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a 6 digit number. "Do you need me to read it again?"
 
 Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works The caller then says, "he
 needs to verify you are in possession of your card". He'll ask you to
 "turn your card over and look for some numbers". There are 7 numbers; the
 first 4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security Numbers'
 that verify you are the possessor of the card These are the numbers you
 sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card.

 The caller will ask you to read him the 3 numbers. After you tell the
 caller the 3 numbers, he'll say ,"That is correct, I just needed to verify
 that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your
 card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say No, the caller then
 thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back if you do", and hangs
 up.
 
 You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card
 number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20
 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security
 Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase
 of $497.99 was charged to our card.

 Long story made short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA
 account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers wants is the
 3-digit PIN number on the back of the card. Don't give it to them.
 Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or Master card directly for
 verification of the conversation.
 
 The real VISA told us that they will never ask for anything on the card
 as they already know the information since they issued the card! If you
 give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number you think you're receiving a
 credit. However, by the time you get your statement you'll see charges for
 purchases you didn't make, and by then it's almost to late and/or more
 difficult to actually file a fraud report.
 
 What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a
 "Jason Richardson of MasterCard" with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA
 scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police
 report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of
 these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that
 this scam is happening.
 
 Please pass this on to all your family and friends. By informing each
 other, we protect each other.


Again I didn't snope it but it is corrct about the bank needing to "confirm" information. Do not give any info on a call like this and confirm it on a call YOU dial from a number you looked up rather than supplied by the caller.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2004, 10:46:14 AM »
The only solution I see: your wife is surfing on p0rn sites, and paying with your CC! ;)
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2004, 11:56:06 AM »
Read "The Art of the Steal" by Frank W. Abagnale