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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2004, 04:00:05 PM »
I'm talking about ideals.  

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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2004, 04:03:37 PM »
I think this is something of an oversimplification of a complex ideology, but it pretty much covers how true anti-semitism got started.  Anything before the time of Jesus was merely one people at war with another, and the normal hatreds and alliances that develop from those.  Such cannot be truly termed "anti-semitic."

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Christianity is one of the best examples in history of a little religion that made it big in the world. At the death of Jesus (and the conversion of Paul), there were twelve apostles, the original disciples of Jesus who were imbued with the Holy Spirit to teach Christianity to the masses. At the beginning, each had equal status, and the major doctrine (developed by Paul) was salvation for those who believed in the saving grace of Jesus and who underwent Baptism., the ritual which cleansed the soul. Paul added the theological point that Christians were the "true Israel," the Israel of faith rather than the crude Israel of the flesh (the Jews).

The Christians felt that because they were preaching to non-Jews, they had to discredit the status of Jews by emphasizing their lack of faith and their fall from favor because they didn't accept the teachings of the Messiah, of Christ.

As in all new religions, Christianity had birth-pangs. The major assumption of the budding religion was that the Messiah had come and that the New Age was at hand. This idea could not last for very long before it started losing its immediacy. If the New Age was at hand, why wasn't anything new happening? Paul's answer was that something new was happening. The Christians just had to look inside themselves to see how much change there was.

This response couldn't last very long either; it encouraged people to provide personal answers to theological questions. There had to be official, concrete answers and rules to the questions emerging through the community. First, the leadership agreed that the only ones who could teach and describe the truths of the new religion were students of the apostles. Each apostle specified a special student to take over the teaching and explaining when he died. This student in turn taught other students, specifying one as the special student to continue the teaching. This line of students from the original twelve apostles through the generations was called the Apostolic Line. It successfully challenged the legitimacy of any other group as being the New Israel.

However, this legitimate New Israel now had to define itself; what did it really believe? What was the truth? The leading Christian thinkers from 80 CE until 420 CE spent most of their time writing defenses and arguments against heretical arguments; applying proof texts from Scripture to their theology, and concretizing the beliefs of the new religion. These writings were called Apologies, and the early Church fathers were called Apologists.

In their zeal to justify early Church doctrine, the Apologists inevitably vilified the Jews. In making Christianity the New Israel, they had to explain the sins of the Old Israel, the fallen Israel, the false Israel.

The first apologist to do this was a newly-converted Christian named Justin Martyr (who was later killed by the Romans). In 145 CE (ten years after the Bar Kochba Revolt) Justin Martyr wrote an apology in which he was having a dialogue with a Jew named Trypho. Using Bible proof texts, Justin Martyr claimed that the Jews were originally selected by God because they were such an unspiritual group; they needed added laws. He blasted the Jews for rejecting Jesus, for killing Jesus, for leading people away from salvation. He gloated over the destruction of the Temple as being just punishment for Jewish perfidy. Justin Martyr's writings became incorporated into early Christian thought, and were the origins of Christian anti-Semitism.



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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
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If you are truly interested try this book by Dennis Prager.  It discusses this very issue in detail.  I have read two of his books, although not this very one, and he is a very thoughtful, reasoned individual.  Try it I am sure you will like it and it should answer your questions.

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2004, 04:20:04 PM »
Like Oct, and Rip said who do most people hate the most?

The person with all the money?

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The person with out the money?

Seems to me there are more W/O the money....hence more people to hate those people with the money!

Fact is Jews handle most of the financial markets that are the most lucrative, IE  Diamonds, Gold, Banking, Insurance and so on!

Not all Jews are rich!  and not all Jews are steriotypical Jews


Me Growing up next to the city of West Bloomfield in Michigan I knew and still know alot of Jews,   some with money and some w/o

What i think is the people who hate /dislike Jews , dislike the Steriotypical Jew, Im talking the the snobby rich bastages with there pompous additudes and cheap tips ( i used to wait tables, they tend to tip very badly and want the world, not even order fromthe menu)

But then again its the Steriotypical Jew doing this.


I know and still have several Jewish friend back in Michigan and most you would never know were Jewish unless you said Merry X-mass to them......................... ..........
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2004, 04:21:35 PM »
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Example the maya civilisation didn't survive and none care of them.


The Mayan civilization was indeed destroyed. Their bloodlines were incorporated into what is now modern Mexico, and to some extent, elements of their culture as well.

When it comes to persecution of the Jews, it has been the aim of certain men from the past to eradicate the actual bloodline, and steps were taken to this end with ruthless efficiency.

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2004, 04:21:48 PM »
Say a bad word about the american goverment = anti american.

Say a bad word about the Israeli goverment = anti semite.

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2004, 04:22:33 PM »
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I think anti sematism is just a way of life in yourup.


Very aleatory concept indeed, could you be more explicit?
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2004, 04:22:46 PM »
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I think anti sematism is just a way of life in yourup.

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2004, 04:37:45 PM »
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Originally posted by boxboy28

Fact is Jews handle most of the financial markets that are the most lucrative, IE  Diamonds, Gold, Banking, Insurance and so on!
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I know and still have several Jewish friend back in Michigan and most you would never know were Jewish unless you said Merry X-mass to them......................... ..........


Point 1: The reason this took place was not a result of some sort of genetic pre-disposition to handling money, it was due to Jews being almost ubiquitously excluded from guilds during the renaissance. A natural, surprisingly lucrative response to a difficult situation.

Point 2: Being jewish isn't just about being cheap, and the 'good' jews aren't just those of us whom you can't pick out from a crowd. The way you say it, our entire cultural identity rests on giving ****ty tips and complaining about the weather while driving to brunch in our shiny Nazi-mobiles.