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Offline dtango

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Stick Scaling Question
« on: August 20, 2001, 11:28:00 PM »
A bit of an ignorant question- would someone describe EXACTLY how stick scaling works?

I've seen different pilot stick setups but not sure what they all translate to and why people have the settings the way they do.

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  • What exactly do the slider bars do that are listed from 10 - 90?
  • What exactly does adjusting the deadband have?
  • What exactly does adjusting the damping do?
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    I've played around with the various settings and tried to use the little grapher to understand what effect that it does have but not quite sure what it all tells me.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2001, 07:41:00 AM »
Dtango, I'm going to take your questions in reverse order if thats ok.

Damping decreases the sensitivity overall. If your getting spikes, or if it is way too sensitive "everywhere"  then set the damping up a bit. I suggest about a half an inch at a time, then fly with it.

Deadband deals with the slop in the center.
lightly grasp the top of you stick in 2 fingers, now twirl it around in a circle, but softly so it "bumps" up against where the return springs engage.  With some sticks as they wear that "slop" in the center gets bigger & bigger.

Keep setting your deadband up 1/4" at a time for both pitch & roll till you can wiggle your stick "Gently" about the center without seeing movement on the graph. Ussually only pitch & roll need this.


Sliders, again we'll use pitch for an example. Pull your joystick straight back from the center as far as it can go. The sliders electronicly slice that distance from center to far limit into 10 "slices". One slider for each slice.

The range is for 0 input (slider at the bottom) to 100% of possible input (slider at the top)
If you want full total control from the very center of the stick all the way to the outside, set all your sliders to 100%. However, if your stick is at all sensitive this will be VERY difficult to fly with.

Or you can set the sliders to give you varying control. Low on the left, slowly stepping up to the right. This gives you "some" input close to the center slowly building as you pull the stick farther back.

Typical is the stairstep pattern, personally I use a combination of the two.

My first slider starts at about 75%, stairsteps up for 4 slices, then goes to 100% across the board.

This gives me a bit finer control in the center of the stick, with max possible responce throughout the rest of the range.

If your having problems blacking out, useing too much stick you may want to set your sliders lower. Limiting the possible control input.

I strongly recomend that you save your stick.cfg file to a safe places before doing major experimenting with the sliders. (Actually its a good idea to have your whole settings folder backed up)

Also make your changes small at first, make sure you click on apply, then ok, then test fly after each change.

I set my roll very close to 100% across the range, pitch has a small "step" and rudder a slightly bigger "step".

I also set my rudder deadband up, as I fly with a MS Sidewinder this helps keep me from kicking in rudder inadvertantly.

Hope this helps, if you still have questions give me a yell. bill69@qwest.net or give me a yell if you see me online.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2001, 11:44:00 AM »
Tango check your e-mail  :)

 

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Offline dtango

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »
Thanks for the info guys.  Ghosth, nice write-up and explanation.  Pugg, received your email. Thanks!

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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »
Great explanation of the stick settings!  Wish I'd have had that info when I started a new months back.  With the sidewinder, my experinece was that I almost always go into turn stalls in the direction I am turning, not becuase I use too much back pressure but because I am unwittingly putting in rudder control.  Hence, as you approach the stall, the rudder caused one wing to stall sooner and you flip inverted.  This is okay and you can recover if you have enough altitude but down low it is a killer, especially on approach to landing.  Plus, if you are in a turn fight, as the speed degrades, you unwittingly strall out, and are sitting there like a sick duck flapping in the mud.  All you're brilliant turn fight maneuvers end up with your opponent coming up on you in a terribly exposed position.  Bang, you're dead.  Hence, my personal choice is to put a good chunck of deadband in my rudder control to where I consciously have to input rudder.  I have spent much less time recoving from such stalls since I did this.  But, if I were a really good pilot, I'd know when I was inputting rudder and stop doing so.
  :eek: <------ Me at end of turn fight

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2001, 08:49:00 PM »
Thanks Gents...

Added Deadband to Rudder...
MSFFB... Major difference...

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2001, 03:40:00 PM »
right on! <punt>

thanks!

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2001, 10:29:00 AM »
Yes the rudder on the MS sidewinder is so sensitive, it has caused me much grief..

Thanks for the explanations, im going to try out the rudder dampering that has to be great. I think the only way to eliminate accidently pulling the rudder would be to have your flgiht stick between your legs in front of you, because when its off to the side your arm will naturaly twist when you try to bank hard in a given direction. Unless you DONT bend your wrist at all, i think ill have to try to play with a wrist brace on so i CANT bend it    :)

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2001, 01:39:00 AM »
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reat explanation of the stick settings! Wish I'd have had that info when I started a new months back.

You did have it.  You just never read it.  The "Help" section of this website has the instruction book in it, and it explains the joystick configurations there.

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2001, 06:54:00 AM »
Ohh did I neglect to tell you that I fly with the joystick tucked between my thigh's. Right wrist braced against right leg so I can get the fine control needed?.


If your flying a sidewinder you may want to give it a try.   :)