Evading someone who is in tight on your 6

[AKFokerFoder+]

As has been pointed out, the best way to shake a bogey off your six is never to let him get there to begin with

I fly the 190A8, it doesn't even turn as good as the Dora.

What you have in the 190's is an incredibly quick roll.  This changes your lift vector.

Don't just roll back and forth.  The average bogey pilot will fly straight as you quickly zig zag in front of him, close range and blow you away.

Roll left, the quickly roll right, and make sure you see what the bogey is doing.  And always put some down movement as you roll to fly under his snap shots.

If he is flying straight, keep turning until he does, then roll again.  
This will give you more seperation, and get him off balance

Don't just zig if front of him, make him follow you, he can't keep up unless it is another 190.  Then you should be able to get vertical in the Dora, and eventually kill him.

If you are low, well you gonna die.  If you are flying the 190 right, you will have some alt to now dive down, pick up speed and get out of dodge.

[Eagler]

just bail out and save everyone alot of time

[streetstang]

Originally posted by Heretik
when I have a con that close on my 6, I start thinking about what plane I'm going to fly on my next run.

LMFAO:lol

[Manedew]

Do a quick bank left to get con turning left... then roll and siccior back to the right..... then cut throttle roll under dive hard back left rolling and cutting throttle.... if he follows he should overshoot easy .. siccior and roll as needed ...

line him up on your side as he moves by you useing rudder to roll out of the way ..... then kick in throttle as he comes abreast ... slide in behind him and shoot ....

easy.... but precise control is nesscary.  If your floping and stalling and tourqeing from moveing throttle around too rapidly... you'll be lucky to not get shot .....

[68DevilM]

Originally posted by Furball
STIR YOUR STICK AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!

or just roll indefinately, only evasive most run-90 people know...

I FRICKEN HATE THOSE PEOPLE

[jaxxo]

i try and pull up on stick hard while rolling right or left and pushing the nose down hard when you comeout of roll, than try and break away at an angle away from attackers nose...than firewall it and escape...alot of times this leaves them looking for ya for a second or two buying you time to run.

[Tilt]

Snap rolls and some side slip is your only hope............

not many roll to 180 thru inverted and this may create a degree of hesitation the first time you do it...........your best but slender chance is to reverse roll whilst under his nose and gain separation........ then snap again to gain angle.....he will have a cocpit shot unless you add slip (he still may)

learn to fly whilst looking back constantly (I cant do this but I have watched others who can) only this way can you judge the timing of your snap roll.....remember that lag effects what you see and what he sees (re relative views of each others roll patterns particularly with sequential snap roll break turns)

basically your opponents greatest fear is that some one is going to steal "his" kill.

[detch01]

Use the roll rate of the dora to your advantage - get the guy on your six commited in a turn, then roll inside and underneath him. If he's raising his nose to get a shot at you chances are he can't see you well enough to know what you're doing in time to compensate for it. Like Tilt said though, learn to fly looking backwards so you can keep an eye on him.

Cheers, and GL

asw

[nopoop]

Well, your gonna die.

Try a hard flat scissors. Learn to fly looking out the rear. On your first break watch out the back...as *soon* as his wings begin their bank to follow, reverse the bank and pull.  A throttle chop will help put him out front.

In a Corsair I'll drop the gear sometimes.

Rinse and repeat. If you don't have a passing shot after the second reverse your going to die.  

But you got to play with the stick, look out that back window and stuff..

[moot]

Close eyes, spread legs, and Kurt will do the rest.

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Puff
I've gotten pretty good at evasion when someone is between 800 and 1k off my 6.  But I'm finding it very difficult to defend against someone when they are in that 200 to 400 window.  I fly the 190 D9 more than anything and any of us that fly that aircraft know that it dosen't just turn on a dime.  When something like a LALA or a diving spit with E on me.

Any help is appreciated.

Depends what plane is on your 6, what is your and his speed. Also you have to watch his moves if you was fighting him before, against new pilots some things work, against vets others. Actually normally if he is good, you will be dead anyway.

[Seagoon]

Well, whatever answer you adopt, your evasive should involve moving in two dimensions. I mention this because most new players only break in one dimension - i.e. Pull Up, Push Down, Turn Flat Left, Turn Flat Right. Remember to dive and climb while turning, use rudder to change your final direction when rolling under, make his shots on you require more than just a little lead.

Now I am one of the worst shots in the game, I can miss on a low-speed close against an AFK Buff, but I've found I only rarely miss against the Tiffie of Dora pilot who simply pulls up on the stick in the typical "power zoom". The pilot who lives longest in your situation tends to be the one who moves most in all three dimensions or sees a good exit strategy and takes it (other than ALT-F4).

BTW - use terrain - dive towards trees, maneuver close to and over hills - As one wise man already said - his greatest fear is that he will have "his" kill stolen. A pilot in that situation is more prone to fly into the ground, giving you the proxy...

... before the guys he was afraid would steal his kill light you up that is.

- SEAGOON

[Puff]

Yeah I've found that I really enjoy either chasing someone or being chased at ground level.  Nothing better than seeing the trees going by at 400+.  

Thanks for all the advice guys.  It really helps.  I've been playing for a few years now and there are still many many things that I need to work on, this being one of them.  

and see ya in the skys!

[DREDIOCK]

if at 10K or above just dive dive dive full wep and make sure he stays behind you.

then at the last possible moment,
 bail

 LMAO

[Furball]

You should aim to....  rather than just evade the enemy, you should try and position yourself to kill him.

(and yes, my stick stirring comment was a joke, but a dig aimed at luftweenies.)