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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2004, 01:46:37 AM »
Basically you just make stuff up...

'I read where it took 30 sec to deploy flaps...'

 oh yeah, where?

'I called a guy who said I am right about slats...'

oh yeah, who?

MW50 corrodes DB engines...

etc...

I can go on and on..

As I said you just make it up as you go, from one thread to the next...
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2004, 04:49:13 AM »
I saw the 30 secs on these boards. Just can't remember where, but I'll look.
I don't make things up, and I called 1 wingco and Rall himself. Have your jealous doubts to yourself, for I bloody won't post their numbers.
BTW, the Wingco (ret) lives near Bonn, and I have also been to his place.
Rall however is worse to reach, At Bad Reichenhall....

So, mr. Knowitall, how long do these perfect flaps take to deploy from nil till full?

Edit added. Had a swift look after this 30 sec quote, but gave up after 10 pages of Izzy stuff. But I remember that someone posted a very good photograph of the left side of the panel.
Anyone?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2004, 05:09:01 AM by Angus »
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2004, 05:20:18 AM »
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You're making up a problem where none existed.


I will refer to Houn's reply in you last 'delicate slats' story...

I just searched about 100 threads and can't find anything where anyone said it takes 30 sec to the 109s flaps...

The only one with a 109 flaps issue was you about it being on a 'wheel' rather then a lever or switch.

Once again:

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You're making up a problem where none existed.
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2004, 05:25:45 AM »
Well, I can usually trust my memory, so I rest it for a while. Was looking though.
I remember the picture, or rather 2 Pictures of it, and I regret not saving those. for they were very clear and good. You could even clearly see the drive-chain from the wheel.
But, alas, looked on both my HD's and it's not there.
Remember the pics?

So for the non existant problem, do you have any accounts of flaps being popped in combat?
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2004, 06:50:25 AM »
Do you have any evidence that flaps up to 25° was not allowed in combat, or not allowed over 185mph for the 109 or 190?

Again, the operating limit speed refer to a simultanoues lowering of the gear.

Both wheels (flaps and trim) were close together, i wouldn´t be surprised when many pilots used both together instinctivly when they entered a turnfight.

The basic point  is: The 109 flaps could withstand speeds for individual settings which were very comparable to the allied designs, so why aren´t they cleared for these speeds in AH? Give us pilots the option to use them or not.

And how about taking away that automatic release feature? When limit speed + 10% (safety speed factor) is exceeded, why not BANG - flaps gone ???

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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2004, 07:26:55 AM »
From the Bf-109G2 Flugzueg-Handbuch it seems that one complete revolution of the wheel corresponds to 5 degrees of flap movement.





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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2004, 07:37:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Angus
I saw the 30 secs on these boards. Just can't remember where, but I'll look.
I don't make things up, and I called 1 wingco and Rall himself. Have your jealous doubts to yourself, for I bloody won't post their numbers.
BTW, the Wingco (ret) lives near Bonn, and I have also been to his place.
Rall however is worse to reach, At Bad Reichenhall....

So, mr. Knowitall, how long do these perfect flaps take to deploy from nil till full?

Edit added. Had a swift look after this 30 sec quote, but gave up after 10 pages of Izzy stuff. But I remember that someone posted a very good photograph of the left side of the panel.
Anyone?


I recall Grun posted a great photo of the cockpit but you could email Seattle Museum of Flight which currently houses most of Doug Champlin's fighter collection.  I believe Champlin to be the authority in 109 restorations and they are quite helpful. http://www.museumofflight.org or call the restoration center at 425-745-5150.  An additional and helpful resource may be Paul Stecewycz at the Kermit Weeks Fantasy of Flight Museum in Polk City Florida.  Paul is the director of restorations for WWII era aircraft. paul@fantasyofflight.com  Lastly there is the white 1 foundation under the leadership of Dr. Timken which is currently restoring the only FW190 F-8 but they are very knowledgably in all things regarding German fighters.  I would encourage all players interested to join the White 1 Foundation and share in the restoration of this unique bird.  They are located in Kissimee, Florida and you may email them at white1foundation.org  I know it was unasked for but I hope it helps.

Cheers
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