Author Topic: Rumsfeld's Questioner Wrong About Unit's Armor (Read 1055 times)

Gixer · « **Reply #30 on:** December 23, 2004, 12:27:18 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
none going to new zealand tho that I know of... except to lay on the beach and trade beads with the natives.

lazs

Yeah wouldn't supprise me, but offer beads and they'll eat you just like the old days. Guess for a few Canada is just too cold.

~~...-Gixer~~

Toad · « **Reply #31 on:** December 23, 2004, 01:01:35 PM »

Gixer, do you have any actual numbers on how many US citizens have applied for Canadian visa or citizenship since the election and how those numbers compare to applications prior to the election?

Link would be nice as well, thanks.

lazs2 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 23, 2004, 02:19:16 PM »

gixer has no clue as usual but he thought that it sounded good and... it was anti American so it had to be correct. gixer knows as little about America as the rest of the world knows (or cares) about new zealand.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** December 23, 2004, 02:26:58 PM »

Well, I looked at Citizenship and Immigration Canada’s website but they only have official stats up to 2002.

Just wondered where Gixer was getting the latest numbers since the election as I can't seem to Google them up.

Lizking · « **Reply #34 on:** December 23, 2004, 04:12:59 PM »

I found the info on Us citizens moving to Canada. So far the total is......1 family.

Applications Approved

The Canadian government has now approved the first visa applications from Americans looking to move to Canada after President Bush's re-election.

Tresey Kilbourne and his family, from Seattle, applied more than a year ago for Canadian visas, planning to withdraw their applications if a Democrat won.

They're now looking for a home in British Columbia. Mr. Kilbourne, quoted by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, says, "With the Republicans in full control of everything, there hasn't been anything that has caused us to think that we weren't doing ... the smart thing."

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** December 23, 2004, 04:17:21 PM »

Gixer, can you confirm or counter Lizking's finding?

Seems to seriously undermine your recent statements.

Thrawn · « **Reply #36 on:** December 23, 2004, 04:19:59 PM »

"I found the info on Us citizens moving to Canada. So far the total is......1 family."

lol! I wouldn't be surprised at all.

hawker238 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 23, 2004, 04:27:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Gixer, can you confirm or counter Lizking's finding?

Seems to seriously undermine your recent statements.

Seriously.....

Airhead · « **Reply #38 on:** December 23, 2004, 09:34:49 PM »

Canada is cold- I wouldn't live there if they offered free beer even.

An update on my "expert"- she's an official with the DofD, so I assumed she knew what she was talking about as she discussed the status of DofD employees "drafted" to Iraq. When she launched into the status of NG troops wounded in action I had assumed she knew what she was talking about, but it turns out (after a phone conversation) her info came from a "television news program."

I believed what she was saying, not because I wanted to, but because I thought she was telling the truth and speaking from an informed, and trusted, viewpoint. In absence of collaborative evidence (I looked hard too) I withdraw my statement that NG troops aren't afforded the same rights Regular Army troops are should they become disabled.

I apologize for spreading uncollaberated "rumors." The Iraq war is an issue that is near and dear to all of our hearts, and what is needed is the truth, not innuendo and politiking. I withdraw my claims (happily, actually) that NG troops aren't eligible for military disability pensions.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #39 on:** December 23, 2004, 10:00:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Once your experts return your call, and Toad gets in touch with his representatives, I'll have my people contact your people.

Yes do that.

Pehaps then can have tea together

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #40 on:** December 23, 2004, 10:06:23 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
I agree. If I were there I'd be strapping sandbags and steel on anything I rode in. But the point was we were/are sending National Guard units with Korean and Vietnam era trucks that had zero armor. If I had not seen troops doing it in "Off to War" I would probably think the whole thing was BS myself. Apparently it was more than just one unit of the Arkansas National Guard that had to do this. BTW, the newest truck they had was built in 1964. I'm sure regular army units are much better prepared and equipted than the Guard units are. The Guard units were equipted to help flood and other natural disaster victims, not fight in Iraq. That is their words, not mine. The Guard had to make do with what they had and adapt to the threat they faced. Too bad they did'nt get the equiptment they needed before now. Remember this was a group of Guardsmen he was addressing, not a regular Army unit.

Not surprising the soldiers are doing their own upgrading.
Soldiers have always done that.
I'd be willing to bet even with the Armored Humvees they will still be doing their own upgrades.

Toad · « **Reply #41 on:** December 24, 2004, 09:04:48 AM »

Air.. not too many guys will admit they were wrong even when it's glaringly obvious.

As for "looking hard", one Google of "national guard disability benefits" will list the VA site that delineates those benefits as the first item.

At least now you know why you didn't get much response the first time you posted.

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 24, 2004, 10:00:32 AM »

seems like a lot of people are going by what their countries "unbiased" news sources tell em to bgelieve.

lazs

Airhead · « **Reply #43 on:** December 24, 2004, 10:00:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad

At least now you know why you didn't get much response the first time you posted.

LOL Ouch. I see you're feeling better again, Toad.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #44 on:** December 24, 2004, 10:20:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Canada is cold- I wouldn't live there if they offered free beer even.

An update on my "expert"- she's an official with the DofD, so I assumed she knew what she was talking about as she discussed the status of DofD employees "drafted" to Iraq. When she launched into the status of NG troops wounded in action I had assumed she knew what she was talking about, but it turns out (after a phone conversation) her info came from a "television news program."

I believed what she was saying, not because I wanted to, but because I thought she was telling the truth and speaking from an informed, and trusted, viewpoint. In absence of collaborative evidence (I looked hard too) I withdraw my statement that NG troops aren't afforded the same rights Regular Army troops are should they become disabled.

I apologize for spreading uncollaberated "rumors." The Iraq war is an issue that is near and dear to all of our hearts, and what is needed is the truth, not innuendo and politiking. I withdraw my claims (happily, actually) that NG troops aren't eligible for military disability pensions.

Airhead,

The second half of your statement was also quite interesting. I'm not sure if that's true either but as of late it wouldnt surprise me.

Between enlistments I did get out of the military and worked civil service for a few months. I also work side by side with civs now, and I can't beleive that their union would allow any of that to happen. But, the reason this is beleivable is I have seen the writing on the wall for a long time not FIRST HAND.

The US govt has been using a practice called A76 for some time now. This allows (in a nutshell) federal employees to compete with contractors for there's and active duty jobs that are turning civilian. It's all a big numbers game, if they can free up a GI in a non-combat position by replacing him with a civilian, a rifle company somewere just got one more machnie gunner. This allows the military to boost their numbers without actually breaking their congressionally established manning limits.

So with all this happening the last 10 years it does not surprise me that civilians are being made to go to Iraq.