Author Topic: Alright Lazs - It's the Mosin Nagant  (Read 401 times)

Offline Creamo

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« on: December 28, 2004, 10:57:06 AM »
Final answer.

I hope you know something about them, as I layed away 3. Two rifles and a carbine. One for my brother who is coming out Friday, one to scope up if I can find a scope that looks original. Don't really care if it's a old or new one, but I have to be the enemy at the gates defending Nevada from ground hogs.



And the carbine just because it might be funner to shoot with more of a kick.

I'll pry pick them up tomarrow, so I will have pictures, but wanted to get all the info I could on make, armoury, serial number matches, stock type, what to look for etc.  to make a final decision on. You can hand pick them from the lot and these looked to be in very good shape so I got them in case someone else did. (I do not want to mail order, the variations seemed to much just on that small lot I checked out) I was also worried about the $25 bucks you have to pay for a background check, and if I wanted to get a modern rifle at the same time as well, I wouldn't have to pay it twice. But, I really have no idea what I want, so going with these alone I guess.

If the mosin-nagant page allows linking, even have some basic pix.







Oh, they are Russian if that matters.

So is it a good hunting rifle? I guess i don't care, I want to blast off cheap rounds, and taking it a part and farting around cleaning it will pry be what it's all about. Bet it will punch a hole in deer or yotes though.

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2004, 11:02:24 AM »
have you checked to see if you can buy ammo for it?

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2004, 11:10:08 AM »
Locally? Sure- I'm of legal age, don't think there are any dumb gov't laws.  It's a bit pricey, so I'll pry mail order it. 800 rounds for $50, but not sure about shipping costs. Seems like that's alot of rounds for a bolt action. I'll definatley have to buy some local because we are going shooting on Sunday.

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 11:12:23 AM »
7.62x54R is plentiful and cheap.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 11:18:17 AM »
A fine choice.

It's an extremely reliable weapon, shoots straight, and isn't too fussy about maintenance.

I can't tell you how many rounds I've fired from this gun. Thousands, probably. Of course, you have to pick the Gook's side in order to use it, and then only if all the sniper roles aren't already taken.

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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2004, 11:29:39 AM »
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have you checked to see if you can buy ammo for it?


Ammo is cheap and plentiful. About 8 to 12 cents a round depending on the supplier.

Fun rifle for plinking, and with an after market stock and some light work by a gunsmith, it'll make a decent, if not spectacular  hunting rifle. A bit on the heavy side though. You're not likely to break it and if you do manage to break an extractor or the like, parts are dirt cheap and easy to find. In terms of dollars spent vs the fun factor, these are hard rifles to beat.

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2004, 11:29:52 AM »
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A fine choice.

It's an extremely reliable weapon, shoots straight, and isn't too fussy about maintenance.

I can't tell you how many rounds I've fired from this gun. Thousands, probably. Of course, you have to pick the Gook's side in order to use it, and then only if all the sniper roles aren't already taken.


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Gook:
 Vietnamese:
 Term most likely dates back to the Philippine-American War (~1900) and has been used against a wide range of peoples, usually Asians but occasionally Europeans and even the English. Unknown origins, possibly "goo-goo," from the Tagalog language (a major language spoken in the Philippines). Although many have it originating in Korea either by referring Korea's original name, "Hanguk", or during the Korean War when Koreans would ask American GI's "Mi Guk?" ("American?" in Korean) which sounded like they were saying "Me gook." Was soon adopted for use in the Vietnam War.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 11:36:16 AM »
Check to see the collector value of the individual weapon (mfg, matching numbers, condition, rarity) before you do any drilling, hacking or cutting and if you restock save the old stock. It would be a shame to turn a piece of history (something Ivan may have used to fight his way through Stalingrad) and a potential investment into a needless "bubba" when there are so many affordable commercial options in the market. However, there are also some quality scope mounts that are non destructive and hold up to abuse.

Here are some forums on the MN that cover a lot of the details:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/surplusrifle?forum=4871
http://p077.ezboard.com/fparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforumsfrm25
http://p223.ezboard.com/fcurioandrelicfirearmsforumfrm6

I have a 1944 Enfield No. 4 right now and lucked out with a really good bore and matching numbers for $115 from a gun show. Got a new gun safe ($250 from Wally Mart on clearance) ready to be filled. Several MNs are on the horizon, as is a Mauser, and an M1 Garand and 1903 from the CMP. Just ordered a good carbine stock as well to build one up. Once you get started it’s hard to stop :)

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[edit: Aztec also has some "deactivated" snipers for a good price. A purist would object, but I think redrilling the weld-filled mounting holes would be a neat way to get a "real" sniper without doing much to the value and in fact restoring the history (since the welds were strictly a rearsenal/storage move) http://www.aztecguns.com/Specials.htm]
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2004, 12:07:47 PM »
Very few of those rifles are worth anything as collectors, you can buy perfectly operational versions for 50 bucks.  Some absolutely perfect versions I have seen for sale for as much as 500 bucks, but given how plentiful they are they didnt sell.  I have 3, 2 of them are M44 versions with the folding bayonet and one is an M38 (which is exactly the same as a M44 except it doesnt have the bayonet).

The first scope pic is from a M38 sniper rifle, or a rifle made to look like a sniper rifle to get more money out of it.  Easiest way to tell is to look at the bolt handle.  All of these guns came from the factory with a short bolt handle sticking straight out to the side, which makes it impossible to scope.  For the snipers, they installed a turn down bolt handle so the action could be operated with the scope in place.  You can do the same thing by cutting the bolt handle and welding a turned down piece on (they sell this as a kit).  Even if they bought the bolt, it probably has a weld mark in the middle of the handle where it was cut.  An original sniper rifle wont have a weld mark on the bolt handle.  You can also take the scope off and look at the mounting, but it may or may not be obvious.  I've seen places online that sell a complete sniper conversion kit that has a "sniper" scope, a drill template to tell you where to drill the holes to mount the base, and either a new bolt with the turn down handle or the turned down part of the handle and instructions how to cut yours and weld this part on.  They also sell composite stocks for these guns to turn them into a completely modern hunting rifle.  I see from your other pics that someone installed a modern scope on the others. I cant tell from the pics if they are M38s or the longer 1891 or the 91/30.  These are also pretty much the same gun, but slightly longer.  They also have better adjustable sights (IMO) than the ones on the M44 and M38.   No matter, they are all reliable, hard hitting and have excellent range and accuracy.

One warning on the ammo.  Most US ammo manufacturers make this round, and its not overly expensive.  You will find places that try to charge you outrageous prices for it, go elsewhere.  Winchester makes a very good round for this gun.  STAY AWAY FROM THE RUSSIAN ARMY SURPLUS AMMO!  This ammo is extremely corrosive, the powder loads are almost never equal from round to round, and I've heard of misfires several times from others I keep in contact with who collect them.  You can often find it at gun shows, and it is dirt cheap.  Just say no!  The russian ammo usually has Cyrillic characters imprinted on the base, and a red ring around the "cap" in the center.  If you do use it for plinking or firing at the range, clean the gun immediately after use.  When I got my first one I used the surplus stuff and learned to carry small patches and a rod to run through the gun right there at the range before taking it home, on the advice of some of my collector friends.  Then I'd clean it thouroughly at home with solvent.  

Good luck with them.  Enjoy!

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2004, 12:18:12 PM »
Enjoy! Good rifle and cheap ammo makes for a fun time. I've found the Albanian ammo to be cheap and very reliable. Can be easilly found. Yes it's corrosive but just give it a good cleaning after shooting and you'll have no probs.

Some good forums on the MNs:
Mosin Nagant Forum

The Collectors Forum

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2004, 12:38:55 PM »
I can't believe nobody posted this:
http://7.62x54r.net/

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2004, 01:06:40 PM »
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Some absolutely perfect versions I have seen for sale for as much as 500 bucks, but given how plentiful they are they didnt sell.


Milsurp rifles sell for that price all the time to collectors looking to fill a hole. Matching and relatively rare of course, and rifles that are already somewhat more rare (but still plentiful in rough condition) compared to MNs. Some rifles can easily sell for $3,000+ for a matching original sniper (especially Nazi mausers with marks, M1Ds etc). Orig. MN snipers aren't all that cheap either. And while Nagants are plentiful now, there is a limit especially for rifles in very good condition. After these dry up what are going to be the new milsurps? Most next generation milsurps are auto or select fire so don't expect any imports of these. This may be the last decade of abundant surplus rifles at reasonable costs.

In a few years Nagants may still be plentiful but far more rough, and when the last E. European warehouse is cleared out the market will be made up of what is already in circulation. Even a non-matching but clean example should see some notable increase in value. Nothing to retire on, but someting to regret when your potentially $200-$300 rifle has less value than the $80 you may have paid for it initially because of two drill holes and a shaved stock. Look at the outrageous prices on M-1 Carbines that sold for $125 a decade ago ($500+ now for nothing all that special). No more "surplus" stockpiles in the market, none really expected to be reimported in the future.

It's an owner's rifle to do with as he or she wants, but there are alternatives that preserve any potential future collector value and the history.

Charon
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2004, 01:37:57 PM »
Price for Ammo isn't bad..

Just check to make sure the front sight is lined up...

Nagants can be very accurate..

You may even find yourself hunting with the iron sights...
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2004, 02:21:22 PM »
not much to add except... clean the guns thouroghly before you shoot em and if you are using surplus ammo then clean after every use as it is probly "slightly" corrosive.  

Great guns for the price and ammo is cheap..   ammoman.com has free shipping.

Have fun and don't worry too much about historical... anything really good has been picked through by the dealers.

lazs