What maneuver to do?

[Düdel]

OK, lets assume i'm in a la7 190D9 or a G10 flying level at the deck with 350 mph. A bogie follows me with distance=1.8 in a F4U at the same level. I've a little E advantage so he won't catch me. Now my question. If I want to fight the bogie what maneuver is best to turn back (think its a vertical loop - immelmann), avoid a HO, get behind him and kill him? How much g's should i pull in this maneuvers to maintain e state?

Thank you in advance for reply  

Duedel

[Ghosth]

First step is to start climbing a bit before you reverse. I'd use shift X to set a very shallow climb. Then watch him in my rear view. If at any point he looks like he may be climbing steeper than I am, I'll immelman.
You want this to be a nice slow reverse at first, milking all the altitude you can out of it. Chances are your going to out zoom whoevers behind you. Possible exception would
be a p51 with a good stick in it.


As you  come over the top watch them in your up view. Try to set yourself up with a good snap shot. They'll be fighting a stall, you should be smooth & slick coming back down & gaining speed.

Done right it's all over right there at the reversal. Either he's dead or you've wounded him enough to give you an easy finish.
If you miss, you still have several options, and you should be in a good postion to try any of them.

[Duedel]

Thx for Reply Gosth  

Yesterday i (190D9) had a fight with a 109.
I followed him at a distance about 1.7 but couldnt catch him (he had more E). He
started a climb to the vertical. I stay level and after a few seconds i followed into the climb but couldnt get a shot at him. I stalled and he turned back on me and killed me with one ping. This was a very impressive demonstration on that what you described above.
So here comes my next question (guess what   ):
Actually I knew that it was wrong to follow the 109 (better climb rate) but i hoped my E would be enough to catch him at the top. Is there a better way to get him or would it be better to run away?

Duedel / Düdel

[Ghosth]

When you know you can't catch him its often better to turn away & go find someone else whos lower & slower.

!90 does not climb well enough to seriously challenge a 109 in a climbing or E fight. I think in that case you'd of been better off to turn in the opposite direction. Once you've no icons in visual range climb.

[marcof]

Yip those LW boys just love their Hammerheads.....IMHO best thing to do (while in spit)is follow them up but keep your angle of climb lower than them, that way you still have some decent E in the bank, watch them in your UP FORWARD view, when he goes for the flip over you roll over inverted and pull gently round (reverse), if done right this should set you on his 6 and you might even get in a quick shot as he falls down in front of you if not then then the game starts again.
Marcof  

[aknimitz]

In this situation, I can suggest another tactic.  If I am in the La7 and have an F4 behind me say 1.5K, but not closing, but I want to kill him, here is what I would do.

Go into a gentle turn...and watch the F4.  Most likely he is going to take a lead pursuit and begin to close.  This is what you want.  Keep the gentle turn, and let him close.  As he gets closer, pull harder, still watching him from the forward view.  When he gets to say 500 yards or so, maybe a little less, reverse hard and go into a barrell roll.  The size of the roll will depend on what the F4 is doing.  Chances are he just extended thinking you did a hard break turn - little did he know you are right behind him...rolling around him as he flies right through your barrel roll.

Make sense?  If not, shoot me an email, nimitz@huckabay.net and we'll head to TA and work on it.

Nim/larry

[Naudet]

Ghosth, in general the move u discribe will work. But it will only work if the guy chasing u is a newby or a kill greedy dumb ass.

A decent stick will simply stay in the horizontal or like marcof mentioned use a lower climb angle than u. If u than go up, the guy still stays in that low climb or lvl. Till the point were u are slow and revers, than he will go into a very very steep near vertical climb.
In a good low speed plane he goes for the HO.

If he is in a D9 or P51 he avoids the HO, flips over when u roar passed and will sit closer on ur six than before.

I used that quite often with my D9 if a guy does such a reversal.

If u really want to do such things without a high risk i would take a distance of 2.0+ and a slight E advantage.

[Vector]

Originally posted by aknimitz:

Go into a gentle turn...and watch the F4.  Most likely he is going to take a lead pursuit and begin to close.  This is what you want.  Keep the gentle turn, and let him close.  As he gets closer, pull harder, still watching him from the forward view.  When he gets to say 500 yards or so, maybe a little less, reverse hard and go into a barrell roll.  The size of the roll will depend on what the F4 is doing.  Chances are he just extended thinking you did a hard break turn - little did he know you are right behind him...rolling around him as he flies right through your barrel roll.
Nim/larry

IMO this move is extremely effective. I use it lot with my P-47, it's good way to have a possibility to give a snapshot and we all know that jug gives nasty "snapshots".

vector