Author Topic: We can only hope........ (Read 1076 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 08, 2005, 11:10:33 AM »

no need to tax people under 50k other than the normal sales tax and gas tax.

No tax should be made or raised without a 3/4 vote majority.

lazs

JB88 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 08, 2005, 11:14:49 AM »

an economist friend of mine explained to me that the poor do not pay taxes.

i asked if i could then claim poverty at the grocery story, the movie theater or the gas pump.

he said that he meant federal tax.

its true, people who fall below a certain level usually get all of their money back.

he said that a blanket flat tax would actually hurt the poor and middle class.

i thought that he was bonkey.

but then, i kinda find it bonkey that people support a grossly expensive military op, yet complain about high taxes and massive deficit spending.

i am all for a flat tax.

i think that it illiminates loopholes, levels the playing field rather than the players and neutralizes the complexity of the tax code which hinders average folk from takng advantage of its shelters.

JB88 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 08, 2005, 11:25:07 AM »

follow up.

i think that "fair" should be the operative term used when discussing taxes.

fair. meaning even.

take away inequity in the rules, enforce them fairly. simplify.

AWMac · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2005, 11:57:03 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
So we turn every road into a toll road and make the all volunteer Army truly volunteer? Who pays the cops?

A 10% flat tax is a much better idea. And let's abolish property taxes while we're at it and make them use a portion of that 10%.

Wake up Suite Judy Blue Eyes....can you not see past your tax forms yet?

Where's your tax dollars go...don't give me the lump sum crap..where DOES YOUR money go? You have no idea. Where's the representation of your hard earned money going? Ohhh wait it's going towards Goverment affliated programs that you may not agree with..but that's okay...your just a sheep and you listen to the Goverment when they say "You EARNED this much in a year so WE are entitled to THIS much of your earnings."

Keep lining the pockets of Washingtons Fat Cats...

Hmmmm guess this was challenged before and snuffed by the Goverment...Can we say "Ruby Ridge"?

Don't get me wrong and start flaming me... I'm as Patriotic as the next American... I served 20 years in the Military.

We as a People are overly taxed. It's time we take America back. We have families working hard, some holding down 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet and the ones getting breaks are the elite, silver spoon in the mouth types. Who is hurting the most in this picture.

I believe Teachers, Police and Firemen should get paid more. But they don't. Why? Where's the Justice?

Opps gotta run, Black Choppers overhead....

FREE AMERICA!!!

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mietla · « **Reply #34 on:** January 08, 2005, 11:58:01 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88

fair. meaning even.

so you agree, $10,000 for everybody.

mietla · « **Reply #35 on:** January 08, 2005, 12:04:12 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88

but then, i kinda find it bonkey that people support a grossly expensive military op, yet complain about high taxes and massive deficit spending.

The military is one of the very few legitimate expenses by the feds and it constitutes avery minor portion of the budget (20%). It is not the military spending that causes the deficits and if you ask me, I want absolutely the best equipment for our troops.

AWMac · « **Reply #36 on:** January 08, 2005, 12:38:41 PM »

Hmmmm FBI, CIA, INS, Secret Service, Now HomeLand Security, Ex Presidents, BATF, oppps forgot the Dept of the Interior, Department of Forresty...Ohh almost forgot the Border Patrol.... yet illegals and terrorist slip through...Wait I have to remember what do American AmbASSidores do now?

You figure in all the $$$ that they are hauling in and think, think really hard now....how many children are going to bed hungry in West Virginia or any other State in America?...Yet we send aid to help the 3rd World improverished Countries around the Globe.

There's an old saying I remember from my Grandmother...

"Take care of home first then help the rest."

She was wise.

Mac

AWMac · « **Reply #37 on:** January 08, 2005, 01:39:10 PM »

Hmmmm Federal tax, State tax, Property tax, paying tax everytime I buy stuff at the store, gas? ..tax...tax this, tax that...

Ohhh it's okay it's just a 2 penny tax.

Lets tax cigarettes,
Lets tax alcohol

Hmmmm Remember the Boston Tea Party?

Think Hard.

Oh BTW you will NOT make your OWN money until after May 6th 2005.... so save alot for Christmas!

Think really hard.

Mac

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #38 on:** January 08, 2005, 02:20:06 PM »

Im for a flat tax rate of say 20 on the federal level and 5% on the state level for everyone, no exeptions no deductions.

if you make $1 or 1 trillion you pay 25%

Everyone pays their fair share.
there are no free rides for anyone including the poor (nor should there be)

IT would never happpen though.

It would put too many accountants,H&R block type companies out of buisness as well as mass layoffs at the IRS.

Rolex · « **Reply #39 on:** January 08, 2005, 04:26:08 PM »

A flat rate income tax is just a pipe dream. The people who make tax laws, enforce tax laws, calculate it, advise about it, spend the taxes and litigate in tax court have no interest in making it simpler.

I believe a federal rate of about 8% would generate the same amount collected under the current 'system' but the tax system is a business -- an industry. It is a mechansim built to manipulate, reward, punish and most of all, to transfer wealth.

Lizking · « **Reply #40 on:** January 08, 2005, 04:59:03 PM »

The country did quite well for it's first 150 years with no sales or income tax, and that is the basis from which it should be approached.

Silat · « **Reply #41 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:28:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
A flat rate income tax is just a pipe dream. The people who make tax laws, enforce tax laws, calculate it, advise about it, spend the taxes and litigate in tax court have no interest in making it simpler.

I believe a federal rate of about 8% would generate the same amount collected under the current 'system' but the tax system is a business -- an industry. It is a mechansim built to manipulate, reward, punish and most of all, to transfer wealth.

Damn. We think alike. Hmmmmm maybe I should cancel my visit to my Pendekar De Thouars in LA and then to Hooooston and come instead to Japan?

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 09, 2005, 10:24:37 AM »

second time rolex said something I agree with..

Rpm.... are you serious? If we took the current money that is extorted from us on every single gallon of gasoline and put the contract out to bid for that sum.... we would have gold plated higways that were smooth as a babies butt at 120 mph. don't need toll roads... use the current sales tax on it and put it in an enterprise fund for roads only.

lazs

JB88 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 09, 2005, 04:02:43 PM »

while we are at it...

im pretty sure that i could come up with an alternative energy plan for 87 billion plus dollars.

off the OPEC crack pipe!