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Offline wombatt

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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2005, 01:50:16 AM »
Well I can see the de bugging industry growing in the future.

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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2005, 04:46:13 AM »
i think that the greatest danger represented by this type of surveillence is that i is one step closer to total awareness by a system which by all appearances seems to be setting itself up as "separate" than the general populus.

this is prison thinking.  

and though i suppose that one could argue philosophically that life in a physical body is a form of imprisonment, there in nothing in my being which finds this type of mentallity even remotely appealling.

but then, i suppose that it can be turned the other way cant it?  can i start bugging cop cars?  
can i start "surveying" political figures?
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2005, 04:58:43 AM »
Interesting. Since nobody has the right to privacy on public roads, can I attach a GPS tracker on the Presidential limo? It's on public roads.
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2005, 05:06:58 AM »
im guessing that something just kicked in and started recording this thread immediately upon saying that word.

since i have had to come to terms with that fact, i have begun to use the term
"THE chimp" instead of the "P" word.

i can modify it to...like "THE poop flinging chimp"  or "THE red assed lying,  going to fight a war for WMD chimp"
or, hey mommy, what is that chimp doing there with his peepee?"
"thats not a peepee billy", she says, "thats his stock portfolio".

in your case, i would have said...i wonder if i could attach a bug to the "poop burning chimpmobile".

all jokes asside.

carnivore was hear way before the patriot act.  they just werent able to say where they got it from.

click....recording.
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2005, 05:08:38 AM »
There are people being held without even habeus corpus  let alone a fair trial and you are worried about GPS tracking?

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2005, 05:12:47 AM »
no pei.  i am deeply troubled by that.

my belief being that it has been our system of "innocent until proven guilty" that has set us apart from less civilized societies.

i dont think that we can or should  impose anything less on others.

it is wrong.

if a person is held.  they should be accused immedately and tried publically by a jury of thier peers.
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2005, 07:15:38 AM »
I have no problem with it, just get a warrant.

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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2005, 08:12:15 AM »
well... if they rule on that one then maybe we can get rid of red light and traffic cameras.

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2005, 08:28:35 AM »
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....but someone linked to a Hells Angel Meth ring?  I think I'd agree that something like that isnt such a bad idea...but i could be wrong


 :D  That little gem of a cover story has been used to the point of hilarity.
  You want to do something that otherwise cannot be done legaly or is borderline just use the old "linked to the Hells Angels" line and let the press run with it.
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2005, 08:50:44 AM »
boxboy28, FYI we were using this tactic waaay before 911 or the Patriot Act.

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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2005, 09:20:41 AM »
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Interesting. Since nobody has the right to privacy on public roads, can I attach a GPS tracker on the Presidential limo? It's on public roads.
 

It depends on the State, here in Michigan the stalking law was just expanded to include placing GPS on cars by private induviduals, it is now a felony,  of course it does not apply to government., no warrant needed

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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2005, 11:34:47 AM »
Remember when Acme Car Rental tracked  and fined a guy for speeding in his rental car?They used GPS to nail him.

A judge ruled it illegal,and ordered restitution paid to over two dozen customers Acme fined via GPS.

I'm no legal expert,so I don't know if there's any relevance or not.


http://news.com.com/2100-1040-269388.html?legacy=cnet

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2005, 03:21:30 PM »
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The angle I look at it from is that it's just like a bug, as mentioned and also that they are physically installing something on someon's private property without permission.

They have no right to mess with or install something on someone's private property.



...Amerihater...don't you clowns ever get it, DON'T question the government, you subversives. In case you haven't noticed, we are AT WAR...terrorists are EVERYWHERE. We HAVE to protect ourselves...

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear...


Nuke, you might as well be an insurgent, with your thread of questioning. In this time of war, the government has a right to QUESTION EVERYTHING. I always knew you would work against our government.

You should be shot for even THINKING about questioning the government....

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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2005, 06:38:16 PM »
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There are people being held without even habeus corpus  let alone a fair trial and you are worried about GPS tracking?


Source please?  hell just a name would do?

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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2005, 06:49:45 PM »
The writ is "the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action."

Bold and Regressive Steps to Violate Civil Liberties in the Wake of September 11

    * Pressured Congress to hurriedly enact his legislation, the USA Patriot Act, which gave astonishing powers to federal agencies:
          o The Act dramatically increases the government’s surveillance, search-and-seizure and wiretapping authority.

            The Act greatly expanded government policing powers, even in cases unrelated to terrorism.


            The Act allows for the sharing of secret information on American citizens among federal agencies.
    * During Congressional testimony, asserted that anyone who raised concerns about his actions would “aid terrorists” and “give ammunition to America’s enemies,” statements which are antithetical to the spirit of the First Amendment right to dissent.
    * Authorized DOJ officials to monitor the discussions that attorneys have with clients who are in federal custody, including those detained, but not charged with a criminal offense in violation of the First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments.
    * Rounded up and imprisoned over 1200 men of Middle Eastern descent based largely on pretextual immigration violations and refused to disclose their identity and location and the reason for their detention. The detainees have been denied fundamental due process rights.
    * Sought to question roughly 8,000 men of Middle Eastern descent, who are legal residents of the U.S., a flagrant form of racial profiling.
    * Imposed a policy of selectively enforcing deportation orders against men from Middle Eastern countries.
    * Formed regulations that deny federal compensation to the partners and non-biological children of lesbian, gay and bisexual victims of September 11.
    * Helped draft the presidential order creating secret military tribunals which bypasses the U.S. court system and contains significant due process violations. Allows for the imposition of the death penalty.
    * Reversed the presumption of openness that is an underpinning the Freedom of Information Act by supporting agency decisions to withhold information if there is a sound legal basis for doing so, thereby rejecting the Reno position that information ought to be released under FOIA unless such release would be harmful.
    * Indicated that he is considering relaxing domestic guidelines that prohibit the federal law enforcement agencies from spying on First Amendment-protected activities.
    * Has called for the use of local police for enforcement of immigration laws.
    * Has asked Neighborhood Watch groups to work with the federal government to identify terrorists.
    * Has asked local law enforcement to submit proposals seeking federal funds to expand their capacity to identify and spy on suspected terrorists in local communities.
    * Initiated a project in August of 2002 called Operation TIPS (Terrorist Information and Prevention System) that would recruit and train 1 million volunteers (including postal workers, utility personnel and the like) in 10 cities who would be encouraged to report suspicious terrorist activity.  
    * Directed all federal prosecutors not to agree to judges’ downward departures from the federal sentencing guidelines except in rare cases.  In addition, Ashcroft requires that prosecutors, within 14 days, report when a judge imposes a downward departure from the guidelines.
    * Continues to misrepresent and misled the American public about the scope and impact of the USA Patriot Act, through his Patriot Act Tour.  Ashcroft will visit 16 states and 18 cities for three weeks during his Patriot Act Tour to shore up support for the legislation that was passed in October 2001 as well as laying the groundwork for the introduction of the Victory Act.
    * Encouraged the 93 US Attorneys to lobby members of Congress who voted for an amendment that would prohibit DOJ funds to be used to enforcement “sneak and peak” warrants.  The US Attorneys were also asked to turn out law enforcement officers and the citizens to community meetings around the country as well as write op-eds in local papers in support of the USA Patriot Act.  This request was made to coincide with Ashcroft’s Patriot Act Tour.
    * Further restricted DOJ’s centralized control over plea-bargaining of cases by federal prosecutors.

from http://www.aclu.org
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