Do All Forms of Government...

[JB88]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Weapons, being the tools of revolution, are guarenteed to us by the top two articles of law in the US constitution.

i am disagreeing with you.

i am simply noting that the declaration of imdependance was a declaration.  not a legal document or contract.

[lasersailor184]

Sure it's a legal document.  It sets up the United States and the reason why we were setting it up.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Sure it's a legal document.  It sets up the United States and the reason why we were setting it up.

um.  no it is not.

it is not a law or set of laws.  

it is a declaration to england declaring the establishment of the united states of america.  it does serve as a handy tool for intent...

but it guarantees nothing.

look it up if you dont believe me.

[capt. apathy]

Originally posted by Shuckins
...whether democratic, socialistic or communistic, have a natural tendency over time to become despotic?

The Founding Fathers of the United States seemed to think so, although many of their ideas would be laughed out of modern academic circles.  When it came to trusting the benevolence of any form of government they were unrepentent cynics.  

That seems to be the main reason they supported the establishment of armed state militias with that embarassing second amendment.

Your thoughts.

I don't think it's automatic that the gov't will inevitably deteriorate.  but once people start thinking it can't happen in a country, it will begin.

btw-  I think the point Patrone was trying to make was that you list democratic, socialist or communist you are jumping topics.

democracy just gives the people a voice.  you could have communism, socialism, capitalism, whatever and have your gov't elected democratically.  you could also have all of those types of gov't with leaders chosen through a monarchy, a militarily enforced coup, or even a lottery I suppose.

 I know of no country that is a true democracy (you'd have to allow every citizen an equal voice in all decisions.  you'd get nothing done).
 we have a Representative gov't where we get to choose (democratically) who wants to make our decisions for us.  being allowed to choose who has the power to make decisions for you isn't the same thing as actually giving you the option to not give up the power to choose at all.  it works as well as any other gov'ts but it's not a democracy.

basically it comes down to  communism and socialism being on the subject how your gov't operates, what it tries to control and what it stays out of.  regardless of how your gov't officials are chosen.
  while democracy isn't so much about how your country is ran but how you'll go about hiring the guys to run it.  regardless of the type of gov't they will be working in.

[Shuckins]

Capt., many socialistic and communistic governments during the 20th century were started with the purist of motives, but the communistic system seems to lend itself to the worst abuses of government, and therefore degenerates into despotism faster than does a democracy...or a socialistic system for that matter.

Nevertheless, I contend that even the most wholesome of democracies will ultimately degrade into tyranny as time passes, unless the populace is extremely vigilant.  My fear is that the American people may ultimately become so complacent and comfortable with our system that they fail to detect the signs of deterioration into despotism.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Boroda
Any form of "government" or "state" is only a way of supressing the personality. The more I live, the more I understand that Lenin was right with this definition.

The more you talk, the more I understand you are a brainwashed idiot.

dago

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Dago
The more you talk, the more I understand you are a brainwashed idiot.

dago

That is approaching sig material there Dago  

WTG

[lada]

Originally posted by Boroda
Any form of "government" or "state" is only a way of supressing the personality. The more I live, the more I understand that Lenin was right with this definition.

muhehe we say something like ....

" State is an organized voilence"

We used that definition during the communist time and we use it, during contemporary democracy.. coz its still true.


But in generaly Democracy has never been consider to be a good. It has been considered to be one of those worster forms. But this definition do not apply to all countries who claim, that they  are democratic. But some of the biggest countries running democracy show, that democratic countries can act in same way as Dictatorships, you only need diferent way, how to start the engine.

[NUKE]

lada, what country are you living in?

[patrone]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Capt., many socialistic and communistic governments during the 20th century were started with the purist of motives, but the communistic system seems to lend itself to the worst abuses of government, and therefore degenerates into despotism faster than does a democracy...or a socialistic system for that matter.
 

LOL......as I said get a grip man. I live in a Monarchy, Kingdome of Sweden, ruled by a Socialistic goverment.
In our Parlament there is 8 diffrent parties elected by the people every 4 th year. There is even Communists in the parlament, they hold about 10% of the seats.

So, because my Goverment thinks that everyone should have the right to go to any school they want to, without paying, of to have the same healthcare: It is not a Democracy and will degenerate into despotism in a while?
Mind you, its been like 100 years of socialistic Goverment soon.

Just how old is your Goverment form? And how many Parties is representated in congress?
Could a member of the communist party become a congressman?

Please  explain, how you can call yourself a democracy, while you are saying Sweden is not?

[NUKE]

America is not a democracy, it's a republic.

Next.

[bunch]

Originally posted by oboe
...may have been prohibitively expensive?

Not "may have", but "definitely was".  George Washington had a lot of difficulty dealing with the USA's debt in his terms in office.  Maybe that is why we have such a great credit rating now & can borrow forever without anyone questioning our ability to pay off

[Yeager]

lada, what country are you living in?
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Im going to guess lada lada land?

[lada]

Originally posted by NUKE
lada, what country are you living in?

In country, where american emb. employees has been charged by taking bribe for Visas.
In country whitch host Radio free Europe whitch transmiting to Iraq and Iran.

In country where we didnt have any terrorist attack in past 15 years.

In country whitch have traditionaly good relationships with Me coutries.

In country, whitch has been 13. most ritch country in the world, before Churchil gave it to Stalin... so republic has been destroyed.

ummm and if you still dont know, use Search button. People ask about it quite often.

[lada]

Originally posted by Yeager
lada, what country are you living in?
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Im going to guess lada lada land?

actualy yes... it is land of Lada`s

we still have some of them around on the roads.