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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2005, 03:37:07 PM »
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"they" are whom ever encourage others to strap explosives to themselves and detonate themselves in a crowd of other humans.


ahhh.... thats called politics isnt it ?

To convince other people to do something for you, w/o using brain.

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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2005, 03:42:13 PM »
How many inquiries does Hamas have into its killings of Israeli civilians?  

Killing a 10-year old who wanders (assuming that was the case here) into a kill zone is sickening, but deliberately blowing up a school bus or shooting a pregnant woman in the stomach is a far more heinous act as it is purely intended to kill the most innocent.  If the 10-year old had not been in the kill zone she would still be alive.  The same cannot be said of Israeli citizens who are attacked on Israeli soil.  

The Israelis operate by rules for better or for worse, the anti-Israelis have no rules.

By the way, how did Israel come to occupy the Occupied territories?  Did they invade?

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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2005, 03:43:43 PM »
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By the way, how did Israel come to occupy the Occupied territories?  Did they invade?


Did they stop with what they were given, or just kept taking more?

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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2005, 03:49:22 PM »
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By the way, how did Israel come to occupy the Occupied territories?  Did they invade?


If by occupied territories we mean West Bank and Gaza, the Israelis did invade the Egyptian territory of Gaza and the Jordanian territory of the West Bank in 1967.

The Golan Heights was taken from Syria in 1967 also, but does not seem to be in the mix when discussing Palestinian homeland.
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2005, 03:52:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
I doubt the palistinians will ever reconcile with the jews.  I suspect the jews will eventually force the palistinians into extinction by which time the larger arab/muslim world will be nuclear armed and attack isreal which will retaliate.  Other contries, christian and muslim, will force themselves into the conflagaration until all the is left is luxembourg....which will inherit the earth.


Yeager; in few decades Israel will have more Arabs living inside its borders than Jews.
That will bring quite interesting questions: is Israel going to deny right to vote grom those citizens too or is it going to deport its minorities... Or is it going to accept the situation and start acting like a real democracy and not like an apartheid country like it's doing now.

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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2005, 04:09:04 PM »
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Yeager; in few decades Israel will have more Arabs living inside its borders than Jews.
 
That will bring quite interesting questions: is Israel going to deny right to vote from those citizens too...


Arab citizens of Isreal have the right to vote in Israel.

What citizens (of age) are denied the vote? Or did you not mean to put in 'too'
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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2005, 04:40:22 PM »
As far as I know Arabs living in occupied zones aren't having rights to vote. Quite understandable but brings up a question: What is Israel going to do with occupied areas? They can't annex the areas but they also can't continue their Apartheid policy there for long...

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6. Today there are about 1.2 million Arab citizens of Israel, almost 20% of the country's population. Their birthrate is roughly three times that of Jews. Arabs may thus become a majority in three or four decades. Some demographers predict that Arabs will comprise 35% of Israel's population by 2020. If so, Israel would cease to be a viable Jewish state and would become, de facto, a bi-national state.


All Israeli Arabs have to do is wait... And there is no more Jewish State but hopefully a Democratic republic. What I find funny is that it looks like some foreign countries aren't able to think farther than 4 years...

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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2005, 04:46:46 PM »
Why should non-citizens not living in any country have a vote in whatever country the don't live in?

Are the Palestinians following a policy of Apartheid or did Israelis have a vote in the recent Palestinan elections?  If they did what was the Tel Aviv exit polling for Abbas?
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« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2005, 04:50:37 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2005, 04:55:31 PM »
I don't have a problem with changing demographics in the area, I just think that not allowing non citizens to vote in a place they don't live can be accurately characterized as Apartheid.
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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2005, 05:32:28 PM »
For the record I'm just trying to point out that the Palistinians feel that they have a justified cause and until that issue is addressed in an unbiased way by us all in the rest of the world there will be no progress. It does the rest of the world no good to blindly back one side or other. Both commit atrocities every day and both believe they are justified. That is the root of the problem. Personaly I don't understand why anyone would want to fight an endless war. Life is too precious. Live and let live I say. End war, if you need a combat fix go online! Don't do it or advocate it for real. It is misery, brutalty and plain wrong 99% of the time pure and simple.

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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2005, 05:32:30 PM »
For the record I'm just trying to point out that the Palistinians feel that they have a justified cause and until that issue is addressed in an unbiased way by us all in the rest of the world there will be no progress. It does the rest of the world no good to blindly back one side or other. Both commit atrocities every day and both believe they are justified. That is the root of the problem. Personaly I don't understand why anyone would want to fight an endless war. Life is too precious. Live and let live I say. End war, if you need a combat fix go online! Don't do it or advocate it for real. It is misery, brutalty and plain wrong 99% of the time pure and simple.

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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2005, 09:47:44 PM »
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Originally posted by Flyboy
i never claimed israel is a saint.

but when you look at the current situation, and then start going back the timeline to try and understand why things look like they do today.

you will reach the following conclusion (hopefully):
the current situation (israeli occupation of so called palestinian territory) is a result of a series of conflicts, in which the arabs where the provoking side and israel responded.

if the arabs didnt turned down the UN resolution on the forming of 2 countries israel would have looked like THIS


OMG an INFORMED opinion?!?!?!  

Cut that out Flyboy, you makin' the rest of us look bad.

Nobody wants to actually LEARN the history there, and/or understand what is going on.  Much better to  just watch 10second CNN blurbs so they know what they are supposed to think.

Geeez....next thing you gonna tell me is that there is no such thing as a "Palastenian", they are not a "Race", and were pretty much "invented" in the late 60's.

Or even that the Israeli's (read:Jews, their most hated foe's), being willing to give the Palastinians land, is more than any other Arab country is willing to do, or would do.  Now THAT would be nuts.  Or even some crazy fact, like 80% of the money that the Palestinian govt. get's is from "western" countries.  

heh, flyboy, you crazy kid, always with da' jokes......
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2005, 08:30:36 AM »
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Geeez....next thing you gonna tell me is that there is no such thing as a "Palastenian", they are not a "Race", and were pretty much "invented" in the late 60's.


I don't think Flyboy will tell you that, because as you say, he knows something about the situation.

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there is no such thing as a "Palastenian"


No, but there are Palestinians. They are the people who live in West Bank and Gaza, and take their name from the fact that those areas used to be called "Palestine".

They aren't Egyptian, because they don't come from Egypt, and don't have Egyptian citizenship. They aren't Jordanian, because they don't come from Jordan, and don't have Jordanian citizenship. They aren't Lebanese, because they don't come from Lebanon and don't have Lebanese citizenship. And they aren't Israeli, because they don't come from Israel and don't have Israeli citizenship.

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they are not a "Race",


Of course they aren't a race, any more than Americans, Poles, British, French, Canadians, Mexicans, Germans, Italians or Israelis are a race.

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and were pretty much "invented" in the late 60's.


That's an awful lot of test tube babies.

At partition in 1948, there were about 1.2 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews in Palestine.

The first proper census of the are in modern times was taken by the British in 1922, which showed a population of about 650,000 Arabs, 84,000 Jews in Palestine.

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Or even that the Israeli's (read:Jews, their most hated foe's), being willing to give the Palastinians land,


Give the Palestinians land? The current issue is that Israel won't withdraw from the land they are occupying. No other country can "give" this land to the Palestinians because it's Israel occupying it.

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Or even some crazy fact, like 80% of the money that the Palestinian govt. get's is from "western" countries.


No, 50% comes from taxes levied on the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Of the rest, as of the end of 2003, the EU had donated $280 million, Arab states $880 million and the rest of the world around $110 million.

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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2005, 08:39:39 AM »
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I don't have a problem with changing demographics in the area, I just think that not allowing non citizens to vote in a place they don't live can be accurately characterized as Apartheid.


hmm I thought those people were living in that area of Palestine Israel is occupying.
Are you saying those people shouldn't be there but should be deported from their homes?