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Offline Horn

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« on: February 03, 2000, 06:10:00 PM »
Ok, loaded up ver 1.0 (w/patch).

Can't stay on runway during takeoff, even w/ rudder full over.

What's w/ the color indicators? Is Red on or off? How about blue? Yellow? Where can I find this info?

How come aileron, rudder gauges not centered when (alledgedly) plane is auto-trim (trim: a horrible feature, btw)?

Did a spin inna f4--15k ft. Hard over on rudders into the spin, cut throttle, stick forward = 15k auger. What gives?

Have CH system (f16 JS, Pro throt & pedals)--is there some info somewhere about scaling other than "The roll button controls the roll" sort of instructions?

Is there a way to tell where you are via zoomin or some other device when looking at the map (clipboard) in flight?

You guys are enjoying this, so somebody musta worked thru these issues--where's the info?

Gracias amigos!

Horn
(and what's w/ the forward arrow on the right wing of the F4? Is it a direction marker for Aggies, or what?   )

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2000, 01:00:00 AM »
Can't stay on runway during takeoff, even w/ rudder full over.
Increment speed gradually , use rudder or/and rudder trim to help you, (you will have to play with it)

What's w/ the color indicators? Is Red on or off? How about blue? Yellow? Where can I find this info?
Colours are still on, something changed though, you will now see Orange icons, these are the friendlies that are in the same squad as you (if you are not in a Squad, you will see all others that are not in a squad being orange)

How come aileron, rudder gauges not centered when (alledgedly) plane is auto-trim (trim: a horrible feature, btw)?
Trim is a beauty   They are not centered , because they are there to COMPENSATE for the way your AC would handle it's way of flying at that particular moment/configuration, also, U can use the autotrims as autopilots...

Did a spin inna f4--15k ft. Hard over on rudders into the spin, cut throttle, stick forward = 15k auger. What gives?

SPLASH ?  

Have CH system (f16 JS, Pro throt & pedals)--is there some info somewhere about scaling other than "The roll button controls the roll" sort of instructions?

Go in the Stick options in AH, you will be able to configure Roll, Yaw, pitch etc...read the help page for neat settings...

Is there a way to tell where you are via zoomin or some other device when looking at the map (clipboard) in flight?
I don't think so, but a nice way of zooming on the map is to RIGHT click on the +/- signs, try it !

You guys are enjoying this, so somebody musta worked thru these issues--where's the info?

Tried the Help page on the AH site ?  


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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2000, 08:05:00 AM »
>>Have CH system (f16 JS, Pro throt & pedals)--is there some info somewhere about scaling other than "The roll button controls the roll" sort of instructions?<<

I have the same stuff, took me awhile to get it down. There is a bunch of info inside this BB about stick scaling. Seek and ye shall find.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2000, 08:49:00 AM »
Can't stay on runway during takeoff, even w/ rudder full over.
Increment speed gradually , use rudder or/and rudder trim to help you, (you will have to play with it) So, no full throttle take-offs? Hmmmm.

What's w/ the color indicators? Is Red on or off? How about blue? Yellow? Where can I find this info?
Colours are still on, something changed though, you will now see Orange icons, these are the friendlies that are in the same squad as you (if you are not in a Squad, you will see all others that are not in a squad being orange)
I guess I wasn't being clear--I was referring to the cockpit (Auto) colors--I'm a *long* way from fiten anybody yet!

How come aileron, rudder gauges not centered when (alledgedly) plane is auto-trim (trim: a horrible feature, btw)?
Trim is a beauty  They are not centered , because they are there to COMPENSATE for the way your AC would handle it's way of flying at that particular moment/configuration, also, U can use the autotrims as autopilots...So airplanes all fly around with the rudder half over and the ailerons at an angle, because it's "in trim"?

Did a spin inna f4--15k ft. Hard over on rudders into the spin, cut throttle, stick forward = 15k auger. What gives?

SPLASH ? Shouldn't Splash, tho.  

Have CH system (f16 JS, Pro throt & pedals)--is there some info somewhere about scaling other than "The roll button controls the roll" sort of instructions?
Go in the Stick options in AH, you will be able to configure Roll, Yaw, pitch etc...read the help page for neat settings...Thanks, Mr. Ed--unfortunately, I'm gonna halfta search 15,000 msgs to find it (sigh)

Is there a way to tell where you are via zoomin or some other device when looking at the map (clipboard) in flight?
I don't think so, but a nice way of zooming on the map is to RIGHT click on the +/- signs, try it ! Will give it a try. I'm used to the AW thing wherein one can zoom from a whole arena shot down to runway level--is that available here?

You guys are enjoying this, so somebody musta worked thru these issues--where's the info?

Tried the Help page on the AH site? Of course, that's where I went first.

Thanks fer trying, Saintaw.

dh

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2000, 09:24:00 AM »
You will use full throttle for takeoff, just be sure to increase it gradually during the roll.  Also, you'll have to be very careful with rudder.  I've found that it helps to keep one eye on the slip indicator, and keep the ball centered.

Green = off
Red = angle
Blue = speed
Yellow = level

There are no trim tabs, so the controls surfaces deflect to produce trim.

I don't spin.  Can't help you there.

I use the same CH setup that you have.  Make sure that it is calibrated in the Windows game controller thingy.  In the AH joystick setup, set the sliders for an exponential increase left-to-right, starting with low values (around 5) and increasing to 100.  Give each axis enough deadband to eliminate spiking, and give each a moderate amount of damping (around 25%).  See how that feels, then modify as necessary.  Planes will bleed E much faster in AH than in WB or AW, so you want to be very smoooooooth with the controls.

You can't zoom down to fine detail on the map.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2000, 09:34:00 AM »
"You can't zoom down to fine detail on the map."

 Yes you can. Pull up the map, left mouse click on the + button. The map will ZOOM IN within the clipbaord window.

 Stalls in F4U? I center rudders, chop throttle a bit and I push stick forward a tad. Always works.

 Horn sounds like your stuff is uncalibrated.  Get a good calibration in your gamecontroller application. If you cannot what are you using Win98 or Win95?  A gamecard or the sound card port?
 In the hardware section here there is a topic about calibrating programs that REALLY helped alot of folks. Look for it.  It's couple of months old. If you can't find it I'll try and dig it up.

 -Westy

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2000, 09:41:00 AM »
Also, Practise offline A LOT  
Took me a couple of DAYS to take off with the Hog, Learn to fly with the Spit 1st...easier to fly with.

I have no problems getting out of Spins if *Accidentaly* I get into one...that is not something I can explain here, since there is a different "feel" with each plane...Basics are : Opposite Rudder, nose down...Don't push it though...Train, train, train....

Colours : Everithing Red usualy is a bad omen :P
Hehehe, sorry, no, Popeye gave you the Autopilot light coded up there...

C U up there...

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2000, 10:07:00 AM »
Thanks Popeye and Westy!

Found the CHjoy98.exe phile. Am using the Gamecard 3 as controller. Will give the suggestions a try!

Still wanna know if the arrow on the f4u wing is an Aggie direction indicator...  

If I ever get off the ground, ya'll best just watch out!!  

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2000, 10:58:00 AM »
Horn,  Try a different plane, like the N1K till you get good at taking off.

I had a problem taking off in the F4 also... as did most of us when we first started flying it.

I still have a problem with diving too extreme and ripping the wings off a F4,P51 and the B26.

It just takes a little while to get the feel of each aircraft.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2000, 11:13:00 AM »
And to add one final F4U point, once you have "lost it" on the runway (that is, you have veered off course and have winglooped) chop throttle and stop completely. Once it stops, gradually apply throttle and right rudder.

Once it gets away from you, it is a monster to get back, as it should be. They called it the "Ensign Eliminator" for a reason.  

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2000, 11:56:00 AM »
Add to the list the 1.2 ver Spit.  Almost no rudder authority at initial roll.  

Hammering the throttle seems best, you get to the piont of rudder control sooner and don't get so "Out of Wack"

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2000, 01:13:00 PM »
try holding the brakes when you throttle up ! works for me and the torque doesn't seem near as bad .

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2000, 01:31:00 PM »
Westy....

also, about the map zoom, you can right click the + and - for a finer, closer detail.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2000, 01:34:00 PM »
rgr that Rob53. I though the left mouse used on the + or - buttons made the whole clipboard large or smaller and the right mouse on the same buttons made the map within the clipbard increase or decrease. I may have it backwards but you're right. the clipboard can be made large and so can the map inside the clipboard itself.

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2000, 03:52:00 PM »
Well gee whizz there fella, what plane ya trying to fly?  Spit is REAL sensitive to throttle now as are a couple others I won't mention since the solution applies to all...
Advance throttle slowly, repeat S-L-O-W-L-Y, at the same time use minimal rudder to keep the ball centered.  too much, or too little rudder results in a ground loop. (Ground loop is what you are experiencing since you can't get it off the deck without crashing.)


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