The Pentagon's New Map

[Grits]

Originally posted by lada
Its interesting reading , i didnt read it all coz i have no time right now, but from what i read, it seems to me, that he consider some of american propaganda theories as  a true. Will try to dig some of his work before Iraqi got vulched, what did he write about WMD & Iraq.

You call it American propaganda, I call it reality.

Before Iraq was invaded he said we should do it, but not because of WMD, he says that is a mistake. He criticizes the Bush focus on WMD and says we should have said up front the real reason we did it, to get rid of Sadam and open up the Iraqi people to the global community. He also says bringing democracy as a goal is a mistake, the only goal of our interventions should be to increase global connectivity, not bring democracy. If you look you can see that it is already happening in Afghanistan, Iraq, and West Bank, democratic elections are the byproduct of connecting people to the outside world, but they are not the goal, the goal is connectivity.

[Grits]

Originally posted by Nashwan
What was the US "show of force" in Northern Ireland?

No idea. Did we send peacekeepers during the Clinton years when we were mediating the peace talks?

[oboe]

Grits,

What about Perry opening up Japan to trade with the world?   Opening Japan up to global connectivity did not prevent war in that case.   In fact it may have encouraged and accelerated it.

Different time and place, I know.   I was just pondering whether he theory could explain events in the past.

[Nashwan]

No idea. Did we send peacekeepers during the Clinton years when we were mediating the peace talks?

No. I don't remember American "mediation" either, the peace process consisted of talks between the British and Irish governments and the various terrorist groups in NI.

[Grits]

Originally posted by Nashwan
No. I don't remember American "nediation" either, the peace process consisted of talks between the British and Irish governments and the various terrorist groups in NI.

You dont remember US Senator Mitchell running the talks? From PBS's website:

The Clinton administration made the negotiations a high priority in its foreign policy. Almost four years ago, President Clinton sent former U.S. Senator George Mitchell to act as a special envoy and he personally traveled to the region at the end of 1995 to bolster the peace talks. Senator Mitchell stayed on to lead the multi-party talks.[/b]

One of the things I think we should all give Clinton more credit for than he gets.

[Skydancer]

Americans veiw of the world I suppose, and now we all have to jump to their tune ! Or risk becoming a tgt . mind you that is until the ice cap melts and then we are all in the poo poo. or maybe wee wee as it'll probably get very wet!

[AWMac]

You have ALL been fooled!!!!

 I'm building an Ark and collecting women two by two's... two Blonde ones, two Brunette ones, two Red ones, two Asian ones, two Latino ones, two Swedish ones, two Indian ones, two German ones and what the Hell two Canadian ones, hell everyone likes watching Lesbians.



Yeah Baby!!!!

[Habu]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
this map could also be seen as "future attack points in 3rd world countrys, hotspots include extra oil".

wonderfull new world order.

To a retarded person maybe

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by Grits
You dont remember US Senator Mitchell running the talks? From PBS's website:

The Clinton administration made the negotiations a high priority in its foreign policy. Almost four years ago, President Clinton sent former U.S. Senator George Mitchell to act as a special envoy and he personally traveled to the region at the end of 1995 to bolster the peace talks. Senator Mitchell stayed on to lead the multi-party talks.

One of the things I think we should all give Clinton more credit for than he gets. [/B]

Clinton took a strong interest in the problem and played a personal part in the negotiations.  George Mitchel made a huge contribution.  That is why both are highly regarded in Ireland to this day.

GWB has maintained an interest too although the process is more self sustaining. Nevertheless  the Whitehouse is still consulted on a regular basis.

In fact all told this is an excellent example of a positive American contribution to help solve a problem.  A good model for the Israeli/Palestinian problem.

The map though is misleading in one sense as there never was any US miltary contribution to peacekeeping or whatever.  The FBI did help convict one nasty terrorist by planting an informer in his organisation.  The FBI continues to contribute in other ways too.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Clinton took a strong interest in the problem and played a personal part in the negotiations.  George Mitchel made a huge contribution.  That is why both are highly regarded in Ireland to this day.

GWB has maintained an interest too although the process is more self sustaining. Nevertheless  the Whitehouse is still consulted on a regular basis.

In fact all told this is an excellent example of a positive American contribution to help solve a problem.  A good model for the Israeli/Palestinian problem.

The map though is misleading in one sense as there never was any US miltary contribution to peacekeeping or whatever.  The FBI did help convict one nasty terrorist by planting an informer in his organisation.  The FBI continues to contribute in other ways too.

And a small part of that process has led to an economic boom for the Emerald Isle.   I just read that they are predicting that they will be the worlds 3rd largest economy before too long.

[Gunslinger]

Wow a compelling theory on WORLD events and mapped course of future terrorism and all you amerihaters can say is what about the oil....where's the WMD....what about N. Ireland....must be propaganda!

Look it's pretty simple that this is a sound theory.  Were poverty and lack of modernization is: terrorism, war, and violence will follow.  

Maybe this guy should have colored his map with crayons then some of you might actually see the point he's trying to make instead of imediatly disputing it because he's an American.  

hold all the grudges, hate, and disconent you want.....but ignore logic and fact you will be consumed by  your own narrowmindedness.

[Nashwan]

I remember Mitchell being asked to head the decomisioning body by the Biritish and Irish governments, along with a Canadian general and a former prime minister of Finland.

All 3 were then invited to jointly chair the all party talks.

The point is the talks were the idea of the British and Irish government, who invited 3 foreigners to chair them, because they would be seen to be impartial.

That's not "mediation". Mediation would be a good description of US efforts to bring peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

CAIN has got a very good chronology of the peace process at http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/peace/pp9398.htm

[Nashwan]

Wow a compelling theory on WORLD events and mapped course of future terrorism and all you amerihaters can say is what about the oil....where's the WMD....what about N. Ireland....must be propaganda!

Gunslinger, I don't know much about most of that map. I do know a bit about Northern Ireland. He's listed Northern Ireland as a US "show of force", and there was nothing even remotely resembling that. If it's inaccurate about NI, how accurate is the rest of it?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Gunslinger, I don't know much about most of that map. I do know a bit about Northern Ireland. He's listed Northern Ireland as a US "show of force", and there was nothing even remotely resembling that. If it's inaccurate about NI, how accurate is the rest of it?

as I stated earlier I don't know about some of the dots.  He has a combat dot on cuba but says these are just from the 90s till now.  Maybe what he was referring to.....wich does make more sense....is sutained combat not nescesarily involving US troops.

[CptTrips]

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