Author Topic: Some comments from Jug or Typhies vs the 190A8 (Read 1073 times)

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:37:41 PM »

Lots of great replies, thank you

I only had time for 1 sortie last night, so I took up a D Hog, and tried to defend 199.

I shot down a B24, although I seldom shoot bombers, but this was too good a set up.

Several other scraps followed with no results one way or the other. I had a couple of obligatory chases by LA7's but they are fairly easy to dodge in a turner like the Hog, gotta love those flaps, of course you then have to get alt back. Then I was about 10k and a SpitV dived on me he was about 2 k or so back, he followed me to the deck as I hit max speed on the Hog, (whatever that is), I thought my wings were going to rip off from the creaking and I darn near augered from the compression, I pulled out with about 50 ft to spare, and the SpitV was now D400, his SpitV5 icon was lit, and he was behind me and still gaining! I pulled up and took a slight blackout, and hit for the sky, figuring he shouldn't retain e like the hog. I wasn't to confident, I didn't know a Spit5 could outdive a Hog. Anyway I think he lost me in the blackout, as he broke off.

I got back to about 8-9K when I saw this 190 running on the deck, I dove down and gave a lot longer chase than I usually do, maybe 80 or so seconds. I was just going to pull off, as I figured he was in a Dora, and I was almost out of steam. Then the 198A8 icon appeared, I drooled as I though "hell, I think I can run him down! I shot him up at D400, and he went kaa-boom as he crashed

Poor Bastage, I almost felt sorry for him, but that is probably just because the Dr just changed my nedication.

By then I was short on fuel, and rtb'd. Somewhat content, as a 2 kill sortie is about what I look for. As I have often said, I suck as a pilot, but I am a decent hunter

The Ki84 sounds cool, it is certainly worth taking up for a spin or two.

JB42 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:10:59 PM »

I would go with the 205. True it has no DT, but during climb out, there is no reason you can't run on normal power instead of full power. With a slight reduction in Manifold and RPM, it has good legs. Gun package is outrageous. I liken it to a hybrid of the Pony and Spit9. Not quite as fast nor tight a turner, but the best of the two worlds combined. Its major drawback is it's visability. But with some creative head placement adjustments and seat time, you can over come this.

By far, the most underrated plane in the game.

humble · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:27:57 PM »

Once you get used to the Hog...you'll find you can do everything you could in a 190....+ you have both the benifit of combat flap. Once you get a bit more comfortable then you can start playing with your gear...

As for the other planes....

Ki-84...amazing speed off the dive...it'll run down almost anything...and pop its wings if your not careful...a great plane to E fight.

Ki-61...best plane in the game...it'll be whatever you want it to be. Deadly, responsive, no vices...right up till the moment your E goes completely.

C 205...almost as good as the Ki-61...has more power but has worse vis...isnt quite as good in a phonebooth but has a better vertical game. Just isnt quite as docile...that combined with worse vis but it a bit behind

none of them have the combination of factors requested though...

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:39:04 PM »

I flew the C Hog almost exclusively the first time I was in Aces High. Then they perked it, so I tried the D Hog. I eventually figured I needed a break from the game, so I took about 2 years off.

The Hog can to amazing things in the hands of a good stick. But certainly I am not a very good stick. But being able to deploy flaps at very high speeds, and also kick your gear down, really forces an overshoot quickly. Nothing worse than diving on a hog in and A8 just to see the flaps and wheels come down. I break vertical imediately, and if possible, dive again, or just get out of Dodge and get my alt back

Kweassa · « **Reply #19 on:** February 24, 2005, 09:33:54 AM »

Oh yeah.. humble reminds me. The Ki-84-Ia is structurally frail at really high speeds. When the plane hits over 500mph, something will break off.. one of the ailerons, both of them, or the rudder, or in some cases, all of them.

The plane itself is a pretty good diver, but too much high speed hurts the Ki - literally.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 24, 2005, 09:47:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Engine
Haven't flown one in a while, but from what I remember, it doesn't come close to the a5 in terms of accel or climb. Doesn't the a8 have a slightly stronger engine?

Sorry, I was referring to the A8. The A5 is a better turner since it also has a lighter ammo load, but all the A series rides have pretty nasty low speed stall characteristics in turning situations.
I do believe you are correct about the A5 in ROC and Accel, andI don't know enough to challenge you on your experience in the A5. Thanks for the info.

Urchin · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2005, 10:20:19 AM »

Well, if you are looking for an overall superior ride to your old A8, I'd join the chorus and say go with the Ki-84.

However, what makes it superior is it has all the "E-fighting" performance but with the added bonus that it is an outstanding turn-fighter as well.

For your "flying style" (which IIRC is more BnZ, followed by run if you are at a disadvantage) the Ki-84 is not a very good fit. To really get the Ki-84 to shine as a turn-fighter (hell, as a fighter period imo), you need to get slow. It is a very docile airplane, as long as you have an initial alt advantage and you are careful to keep herding people you can stay above a gaggle of plane almost indefinately and still stay pretty slow.

If you prefer a faster type of plane, I'd definately say go with the Typhoon. It has better acceleration than the A-8, turns better, and packs much better guns. It rolls like a 500 lb woman though, so you won't be making many snappy evasives in it.

Hell, you've got all the time in the world, try em both out and see what suits ya.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 24, 2005, 08:20:07 PM »

I have to say stick with the F4U-1D. I feel your pain of wanting those cannons, but if you keep your convergence set low those 6 .50's are lethal. The biggest reason I have drifted into the Hog lately is it's flexibility. Not that I havent always respected what one can do, but the more I fly it the more I find it's perfect for me. It can mix it up on the deck in a TnB (although not forever, but the initial turn rate is amazing, esp. with the maneuvering flaps engaged), you know it will be available whether taking off from a base or a CV, and the range of available hardware for loadouts is equalled only by the Jug, Pony and the P-38. Its an excellent jabo ride, tough, fast, good range, and shreds targets within your convergence setting.

While the Jug wants to be flown more like the FW you are used to, it outclasses any FW as currently modelled. The Hog is similar, but will give you even more range to your tactics. I certainly dont claim to be a master of either one, but I think if you give the Hog a fair try you wont want anything else.