MiniD - citizen/subject - the difference unveiled!

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Mini D
Hehehehe... it's better to be a subject because the queen will always do what's right for you and none of those pesky citizens can interfere.  Hehehehe.

If you're spoon fed **** for long enough, you learn to love it.

LOL MiniD - there you are at last!

Naah, the queen does naff all. And I don't entirely agree with Utley. I don't think it's going to be easy to get rid of the current govt. Too many of the electorate are sleepwalking in "there is no alternative" mode.

[Mini D]

This is a suprise... in a thread adressed to me?

You do realize the definition you're quoting is exactly what I've been stating all along?  Now that you've accepted that, you might want to read a little about Povlov's dog.

[AWMac]

Woman: Well 'ow'd you become king then?

(holy music up)

Arthur: The Lady of the Lake-- her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite,   held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by   divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.  THAT is why I am your king!

Man: (laughingly) Listen, Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!  Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical aquatic ceremony!

Arthur: (yelling) BE QUIET!

Man: You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!!

Arthur: (coming forward and grabbing the man) Shut *UP*!

Man: I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

Arthur: (throwing the man around) Shut up, will you, SHUT UP!

Man: Aha!  Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Arthur: SHUT UP!

Man: (yelling to all the other workers) Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!

Arthur: (letting go and walking away)  Bloody PEASANT!

Man: Oh, what a giveaway!  Did'j'hear that, did'j'hear that, eh?  That's what I'm all about!  Did you see 'im repressing me?  You saw it, didn't you?!

[mietla]

Originally posted by Sandman
Damn straight. We really don't need those other 26 amendments to the Constitution.

We only need those that restrict the government, those that restrict the People are unconstitutional and should be dumped. The XVIII-th has already been diposed of.

Now it is the XVI-th turn.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by lazs2
I believe that the guy has a pretty good handle on it.   I would also like to tell him that I am one of those people who wishes to remain a citizen surrounded by citizens.

If your constitution guarentees that you can keep and bear arms you are a citizen.   If not... you are a subject.

lazs

As simple as that !  

[Lizking]

your friend is welcome to arm himself or not so far as I am concerned... he certainly isn't a subject of the queen of Arkansas.

Careful Laz, Hillary might win in 2008.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by beet1e
Yes - thank you for asking!

Lazs!  It's not quite so simple. I have an English friend, living and working in Fort Smith,AR. He is not a US citizen, but a British subject and holder of one of your "green cards" allowing him permanent residence in the US. As a resident of Arkansas he is entitled to arm himself much as you have done, but chooses not to. [/QUOTE

I have a not quite so simple question.

Were the people of Grenada still the British subjects (at least technically) when this tiny nation was invaded by the USA in October 1983, or were they the citizens of a republic ? And how does it feel when your rebellious colony (I mean the USA) helps the Britts to reinstall monarchy in a member state of the British Commonwealth ? And for how long does the British gratitude extend itself in this case ? For 21 years ? Or even longer than the start of the invasion of Iraq ?

[lazs2]

gena... All else asside... I believe that there were more than a few Americans in grenada when we invaded and sucessfully rescued them.   Those Americans were certainly not "subjects".  

lazs

[genozaur]

Originally posted by lazs2
gena... All else asside... I believe that there were more than a few Americans in grenada when we invaded and sucessfully rescued them.   Those Americans were certainly not "subjects".  

lazs

As far as I remember, the true American patriots left the island before the invasion on the recommendation of the USA embassy.
Those relactant to do so who stayed in Grenada were not taken hostage.
Are you saying that the US Marines saved the American citizens from the other invading forces ?
It's an interesting twist.

But I still would recommend a very good site for kids:

http://www.historyguy.com/Grenada.html

[lazs2]

make up your mind.   Either we invaded granada to help the brits or to smack down the invading cubans.

lazs

[beet1e]

According to Reagan, it wasn't an invasion but a rescue mission. I remember him losing his rag at one reporter who called it an "invasion".

[genozaur]

Originally posted by lazs2
make up your mind.   Either we invaded granada to help the brits or to smack down the invading cubans.

lazs

By 'the other invading forces' I could not but mean no other forces than the rest of the USA-led allies, i.e. the troops of some helpful Caribbean nations who joined the invasion of Grenada.

And what "the invading Cubans" did you mean ?

[Momus--]

According to Reagan, it wasn't an invasion but a rescue mission. I remember him losing his rag at one reporter who called it an "invasion".

I remember that well. An invas.. um I mean a "rescue" mission to save US students who hadn't been taken hostage and weren't in any danger at all. One of the people complaining was Maggie Thatcher herself, given that Grenada is a UK Commonwealth state that owes alliegance to the British monarch. Priceless, and here we are twenty years later and people still buy the official excuse.

And what "the invading Cubans" did you mean ?

The "invading" Cubans in question were contrators building an airport on behalf of the British firm Plessey. The airport was for tourist planes. Reagan claimed it was for Russian Migs. (This was before the senile dementia believe it or not).

So did they ever find those Grenadian WMDs then? Oh no, wait a second...

[lazs2]

so... we "invaded" to.... what?   And now that we installed an American king and booted out the brits.... What are we doing with it?  

Perhaps it was an elaberate union busting scheme to get rid of the cuban airport workers union?   crush it like a bug.

lazs