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Offline Thrawn

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« on: January 24, 2005, 01:23:58 PM »
"Central banks shift reserves away from US
By Chris Giles
Published: January 24 2005 00:03 | Last updated: January 24 2005 00:03

Central banks are shifting reserves away from the US and towards the eurozone in a move that looks set to deepen the Bush administration's difficulties in financing its ballooning current account deficit.

 
In actions likely to undermine the dollar's value on currency markets, 70 per cent of central bank reserve managers said they had increased their exposure to the euro over the past two years. The majority thought eurozone money and debt markets were as attractive a destination for investment as the US.

The findings emerge from a survey of central bank reserve managers published today and conducted between September and December of last year. About 65 central banks, controlling assets worth $1,700bn, took part and the results showed a marked change in attitude over the past two years."

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"Central banks' enthusiasm for the dollar seem to be cooling off."

In a further worrying sign for the greenback, 47 per cent of reserve managers surveyed said they expected the growth of official reserves to slow to less than 20 per cent over the next four years. Between the end of 2000 and mid-2004, official reserves had increased by 66 per cent.

Slower reserve accumulation growth implies the supply of official finance is likely to become more limited but few expect the demand from the US for finance to slow. The consensus among economists is that the US current account deficit will increase to $694bn in 2005."

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9ef63678-6d7d-11d9-9b69-00000e2511c8.html


Please do yourselves a favour and make sure you have at least some hard currency.  Heck with gold predicted to go to at least $540 it will probably be a good investment as well as useful if things go for the worst.

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 01:40:46 PM »
LOL! try to buy a loaf of bread with gold some day.  Gold is not currency.  It is a commodity, however, and might be a good investment.

Anyways... you may want to re-read that article before predicting the collapse of the dollar.

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 01:44:59 PM »
some advice, get some € and your on the safe side ! ;)
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 01:47:06 PM »
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get some €


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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2005, 01:55:14 PM »
a "weak" dollar will help US exports and hurt imports.

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2005, 02:06:33 PM »
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LOL! try to buy a loaf of bread with gold some day.  Gold is not currency.


Gold is also insurence is case some day you may have to use it buy bread.


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Anyways... you may want to re-read that article before predicting the collapse of the dollar.



Are you referring to this?

"Slower reserve accumulation growth implies the supply of official finance is likely to become more limited but few expect the demand from the US for finance to slow. The consensus among economists is that the US current account deficit will increase to $694bn in 2005."


It wouldn't suprise me if the trade deficit does go that high.  As the central banks stop taking USD and or sell them off, then the USD loses value, and more have to be printed to make up for the lower value.  As the dollar continues to lower in value then the central banks have even more of a reason to sell off, and thus a downward spiral ensues.

I'm not saying this is it, but look where it's going and buy "insurance" against the eventuality.

I'm seeing more and more articles like the following as time goes on.


Doom For The Dollar--And Everything Else
Dan Ackman, 01.10.05, 6:00 AM ET
 
 
NEW YORK - The stock market is up and economic growth has been steady, if unspectacular. But, an increasing number of economists are seeing serious storms build on the horizon. They point to ever-growing federal budget deficits, a record current-account deficit, increased consumer debt, a real estate market that looks like a bubble ready to burst, a surge in personal bankruptcies and the prospect of inflation.

Meanwhile, interest rates are on the rise, and if they increase much more, many of these problems could get dramatically worse.

Doomsayers tend to be ignored--until it's too late. This week, we give voice to five prophets of doom, starting with Peter Schiff, CEO and chief global strategist of Euro Pacific Capital.

Could the falling dollar mean we're in for a major financial disaster? He thinks so.

He has been warning about the currency's fall for a while now. Even though it lost a third of its value in the last two years against the euro, he believes it will decline even further. But, the dollar's fall is more a symptom than a cause. The real problem is that the U.S. is producing too little--and spending too much--and the result is likely to be far worse than the happy-talkers on Wall Street will ever let on.

"We are going to go through one of the most trying financial times in U.S. history, including the Great Depression," Schiff says.

Why Should We Care About The Falling Dollar?

"The basic problem," Schiff states, "is that Americans don't produce enough, and don't save enough." Indeed, over the past 15 years, the savings rate has fallen from over 6% to less than 1% in recent quarters. As a result, the goods that we are consuming are being supplied to us by foreigners. Not only are they producing the goods, but they are lending us the money to buy them, and, in doing so, are driving the U.S. deeper and deeper into debt to the rest of the world, Schiff says.

As American industry has lost productive capacity, it has become increasingly difficult for the U.S. to produce enough--and sell enough--to reduce that debt. The massive U.S. trade and current-account deficits, now at around 6% of the gross domestic product, mean that non-Americans are exchanging consumer goods today for consumer goods they will obtain in the future.

The U.S. doesn't have the ability to supply those goods, Schiff says. "We are using dollars that we print to exchange for goods that we don't produce. We have to borrow from abroad as there are no domestic sources of savings, so the value of those dollars will continue to fall."

How Bad Will It Get?

   
Peter Schiff, chief executive of Euro Pacific Capital
 
"Very bad," Schiff says. The dollar will fall a lot lower than it already has--dropping by perhaps 50% against the Japanese and Chinese currencies. How will the government respond? Could efforts to forestall the currency decline have a perverse--and ultimately negative--effect? No matter what the outcome, Americans will have to consume a lot less and save a lot more. Spending on cars, clothing and electronics will all drop dramatically--perhaps right out of the economy.

What Caused It?

"We are a society that has lived beyond its means for a long time," Schiff says, adding that while the trend has been evident for two or three decades, "in the last five years, it has gone off the deep end." Americans are relying on foreigners more and more to produce goods, rather than producing them themselves.

What Will The Results Be?

Americans will have to restrict future consumption or default on debt, whether directly or indirectly.

"I think something in the near future--maybe early this year--will make us realize the error of our ways," Schiff says. "Our creditors are going to stop. They are going to bite the bullet," which means realizing we can't repay them in the way they want and expect.

They will take a huge loss, but it will be necessary to check an unsustainable process. At that point, the people of Japan and other Asian nations will be able to consume a lot more, because they will send less of what they produce to the U.S.

"They will not be producing for us; they will be producing for themselves."

Meanwhile, to attract savings from abroad, the U.S will have to increase interest rates into the double digits. This will cause a serious wave of defaults in the real estate market and elsewhere.

"The further into the future this starts, the worse it will be for Americans," Schiff says.

When And Why Will It Bottom Out?

"I don't know. A lot will depend on the government," Schiff says. The debt to Japan, China and others has been building for a long time. The process will also take some time to reverse. But, the analysts on Wall Street don't want to say this.

"They pull their punches, because they don't want to be marginalized. But, the fact is we owe Japan a fortune; it's not the other way around." And that, Schiff says, means the dollar will be heading south for a while."

http://www.forbes.com/economy/2005/01/10/cx_da_0110doomdollar.html?partner=netscape

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2005, 02:06:39 PM »
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a "weak" dollar will help US exports and hurt imports.


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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2005, 02:26:01 PM »
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If the lose in value of the USD is gradual so their is time to rebuild the US manufacturing base and so the loss in standard of living is over a relatively long period of time.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 02:42:35 PM »
But with the increasing unemployment rates in Europe do you really think that the Euro will stand the test of time also?

Look toward Japan and China for the next huge currency boom. The USD will lead the pack towards the bottom of the valley and the Euro will fall as well. With unemployment in Europe hovering a little over 10% and expected to get worse as manufacturing jobs are sent to the other areas of the world (Mexico and US) then things will get worse.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2005, 02:50:58 PM »
the US has not "lost" it's manufacturing base, you watch CNN too much.

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2005, 03:04:40 PM »
The party denies the existence of a problem!  Production is up 21%!

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2005, 03:23:32 PM »
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the US has not "lost" it's manufacturing base, you watch CNN too much.

umm any links to back this lovely wish ?

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2005, 03:27:28 PM »
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the US has not "lost" it's manufacturing base, you watch CNN too much.


Not in it's entirety, but a huge portion of it is has been offshored.  Hence the massive and every growing trade deficit.

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2005, 03:29:44 PM »
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But with the increasing unemployment rates in Europe do you really think that the Euro will stand the test of time also?



Nah, the same thing will happen in 20-30 years to the Eurpeans.  China is quite simply taking over the world.  They don't have to pander to voters and special interests.  They can make long range plans even if it hurts segments of their society.


Maybe "taking over the world" is too extreme.  Perhaps making them selves the unquestion pre-dominant power would be more accurate.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2005, 03:34:18 PM »
Sure USA will loose and its people would have to start working for real, again.
Its not a bad thing. A land with that great resources should´nt really need to import all they do.

Its a desise of the west. The workers get to expensive and the products follow. So, the company moves the manufacturing out to a "banana" republic, paying nothing for the workers.

As long as the balance is kept and the money earned are returned and invested back to the country, it is ok.
But, it seems like this is failing as well.

If you get to greedy, in the end you will loose it all.

This is not only happening in the USA, but in a lot other western countries.
But, USA is starting to suffer from the effects, ours are yet to come. But, its just a matter of time.

We can ride for a little time, now, on the back of the sinking Dollar, but for sure, we will go down with it as well.