I'm unusually proud to be an American today...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Yeager
so what you liberated commies defining as freedom is this:

freedom is my ability to force you to believe in what I believe or I will kill you?

If so I hope communisim comes back and sucks you all back in behind the wall.  Seems we were better off then anyway.

I said it: You were told that "communism" is something evil where Stalin was killing Jews.

"freedom is my ability to force you to believe in what I believe or I will kill you?" - what have led you to this conclusion?

I am not a member of Communist party. I just believe that if I do something for everyone - it will be good. If I have a chance to do something for all - i'll prefer to do it. Maybe even at my own expence.

As for "forcing to believe" - it's impossible. Killing people who don't believe in one "Party Line" wasn't practiced here, regardless to what you have been told.

And I am not commie, and there was nothing to liberate me from. Thank You,

[Raider179]

I have come to find that most of the problems lie in the people who exploit the forms of government, economic systems etc not the actual types of government or systems. There are bad apples in every bunch and good ones.

[Yeager]

Dang, just when I think boroda is a commie he comes out and proves he is just a regular nice guy

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[Scherf]

Link to report:

http://www.epic-usa.org/Portals/1/Lancet_report_on_iraqi_mortality_before_and_ after_2003.pdf
I believe this is the original article - beware copyright as the BMA site itself requires a subscription. Skuzzmeister please edit as required.

You'll have to copy & paste the above into browser, remove the space before "after".

[Toad]

Originally posted by JB88
friggin kansans.

couldnt pick a side.

called themselves a free state.

 

You need to read up on your Kansas history. Most of the pro-slavery folks crossed the border from Missouri to vote and to later fight.

Wanna go into Civil War history? I'm game; it was one of my areas of interest in my youth.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, Iraqi resistance have made their choice too.
 

Yep.

It's pretty clear that

A: They are in the extreme minority

B: They are ruthless murderers in the vein of the one we replaced

C: The majority of Iraqis ignored their threat to "wash the streets with blood".

D: Zarqawi shot himself in the foot with his "We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology,”  comment.

Of course, I can see where you'd agree with Zarqawi.

Anyway, they've made their choice and they will have to accept the consequences. Freedom's an awfully powerful thing in the hearts of men. Try to stop it and you get run over, usually.

I think Iraq has a chance now and they've got the first bit of momentum.

[Eagler]

as the terrorist cheekboness kill more and more of their own, they lose

what was it today, 12 men dragged off a bus and shot in cold blood?

oh yea, they are brave "freedom fighters"..

their days are numbered as are the crazed pal nutbags

peace and freedom win out in the end

[Airhead]

Originally posted by ghi
Airhead,
   
  i'm honest, maybe too stupid honest for this BB
 
 Sorry if i pss you off with my oppinion about your war,i would better SFTU, but most of Europe and the world think in the same way, but you don't care anyway
 
 

Woha...I was just goofing on the Transylvania thingie and wasn't pissed a bit....drunk, maybe, but not pissed. (BTW Boroda, I may not be able to find Transylvania on a map, but I noticed YOUR country seems to be shrinking. )

Anyway I've been against this war from the very beginning, and if you look it up you'll see I've been outspoken here in the O'Club in voicing my opposition because I DO care and I felt it was the wrong course of action for America to take.

However, I also believe we are now committed to see this thing through, and I believe our intentions are noble. We aren't empire building, we deposed a tyrant- and the voter turnout convinces me we did a good thing.

I, too, was proud to be an American watching the Iraqi election. And I believe to suddenly leave, or even announce a timetable for withdrawal, would compromise our mission...we have to be, officially at least, committed for the duration.

I hope it works.


Don't you?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Toad
Nor did I attack him. It's a simple observation.

In reference to the John Stuart Mill quote, the "better men" were the ones that threw out Ceausescu. ~1200 of them died doing it.

Ceausescu's socialist paradise wasn't too bad? Better than "shooting everything that moves?" Who "shot everything that moves?" I mean, besides Ceausescu's Securitate?

They had a "trial"; the same type of trial most tyrants get. You won't find me saying Ceausescu's trial was done correctly, despite your trying to incorrectly portray my position that way.

It should have been public and it should have been before a legitimate court. It probably should have been delayed until the new government was established by the people in a popular vote. In other words, years later perhaps.

Hi, Toad,
And what about Ceausescu's wife ?
I guess, it was the same fair trial as for the wife of Mussolini ?  

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Yeager
so what you liberated commies defining as freedom is this:

freedom is my ability to force you to believe in what I believe or I will kill you?

If so I hope communisim comes back and sucks you all back in behind the wall.  Seems we were better off then anyway.

Yeager, please  define your notion of communism in five words. Then ask Boroda to do the same. I guarantee that both of you are talking about different things because the four out of five words in both your's and Boroda's difinitions of communism will be different. Or maybe five out of five !  
So, what were you talking about ? Communism ?
What Communism ?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Raider179
I have come to find that most of the problems lie in the people who exploit the forms of government, economic systems etc not the actual types of government or systems. There are bad apples in every bunch and good ones.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Raider179
I have come to find that most of the problems lie in the people who exploit the forms of government, economic systems etc not the actual types of government or systems. There are bad apples in every bunch and good ones.

Yup...exactly. Bad dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini give the really kind and benevolent dictators like Saddam and Park a bad name.

Anyway who wants to take the time to be a free person and vote if you have a really, really good Dictator, or King, or Chief, or Emperor to make your decisions for you?

It's much easier to be a subject- ask any Euro.

[Yeager]

what?

[ghi]

Airhead
 
 i hope the life of the peoples of Irak is going to improve, after more than 10 years of starvation and war, they had enough, But i don't think soo, Irak need another dictator to keep together 2 crazy religious  minorities
 
  I was watching  Bush last evening  sending stong warning to Iran , kind of declaration of war, and in a  country with freedom of speech, like United States, those apes applaud him 30 sec., but none stand up and say:    "NO, MR.president  we don't need another war"

  3rd Anticrist , (a king with turban ,defender of islamic law,how Nostradamus describe him),did't arrived yet, but american dangerous politic is going to create him,

[Toad]

Originally posted by genozaur

And what about Ceausescu's wife ?
 

This wife, Elena?

In July Ceausescu's wife, Elena, is elected to full membership of Communist Party Central Committee. In 1973 she becomes a member of the Politburo and is made head of the personnel section, giving her the final say on party promotions at all levels throughout the country.

Many observers believe that Elena becomes the real power behind Ceausescu's dictatorship, particularly in it's later years, as Ceausescu becomes weak and ill.

 

I'd say she should get the same trial I suggested for her husband.

It should have been public and it should have been before a legitimate court. It probably should have been delayed until the new government was established by the people in a popular vote. In other words, years later perhaps.

Or are you going to pretend that Elena was a total innocent?