Author Topic: the new vette motor.. (Read 958 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2005, 08:26:21 AM »

captn... I know you have built a lot more modern motors than me but 700 real hp, streetable and in the car is a stretch for a naturlally aspirated small block... it is doeable I will admit but it is much easier for me to put a 700 hp motor together in the garage using a huffer. I am not sure even if I have ever done so. I have helped to build some stout motors but they were never dynoed. I will take your word and infinietely more experiance on this. Heck... it is hard to find a radiator that will reliably cool even 550 hp.

A friend of mine is Kieth Turk.. he just put the editor of Hot Rod (january issue) into the 200 mph club at the salt and Texas event... good read, bout seven pages in the mag. He knows a lot more about motors than I ever will, as do you probably. I am a shade tree guy.

koda... you put over 200,000 k on a motor that was running on nitrous all the time? that must be like 20 gazillion of those itty bitty little bottles plus..... about 5 years of your life spent filling em up... If you can't get 20k out of a huffed motor then just buy one. Tjhey even have em for sale right off the showroom floor these days.. no problem with em... Old GN buicks had turbos and ran forever.

lazs

koda76 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:48:17 AM »

LOL...no laz only "at will" which is 5-6 seconds at a time and less than 1% of the time based on .....get this 179,000 miles (as of this am.)
I drive it 150 miles a day and only spray it for short bursts...just to play with cars...(I have a sierra pickup 2wd) I also have an exhaust cut-out wired to an electric solenoid so when I punch it, I hit the cut-out switch and it sounds like an explosion.....and away we go.....There is a twin turbo 4wd truck from Iowa that comes down to KC every now and then.....he runs 10's and it's a daily driver also. The Vortec motors are stout so watch that pickup, he could leave you in the dust.
When I was talking about huffers I was referring to a race motor not one of the little huffers they put on stock motors.....but I need to try one, they seem to work on Lightning’s.......

J_A_B · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:20:23 AM »

A streetable 4 x 4 pickup truck that runs 10's and is reliable enough to be a daily driver?

I'm sure you'll understand if some of us are a little skeptical.

J_A_B

rpm · « **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:24:49 AM »

I quit being impressed by Vette's when I smoked one in my '83 Shelby Charger with a 2.2 .

eagl · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:26:55 PM »

GM is killing the entire LS engine series or just the exotic blends?

The LS1 in my car is damn reliable. 96k+ on it and it still pulls very strongly. No major leaks or anything except for a noisy accessory or pulley that's been squeaking loudly for 50000 miles, or "ready to go any day now" according to the dealer

I've read reliable reports of over 200k miles without any major work on some early vette LS1 engines. It's quiet, reliable, and has great power to weight. Plus matched to the right gears it doesn't even need to shut down half the cylinders to get decent fuel efficiency like the hemi. Or maybe that's why they need to kill it, because they *need* to go to a diff system to meet newer economy and emissions standards... Bah.

I sure hope they don't kill it. It's a great engine, much better than that POS 6 banger 3800 they put in everything else. I read somewhere that the generic GM V6 has more counterweights than big ben

J_A_B · « **Reply #20 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:47:17 PM »

"I sure hope they don't kill it. It's a great engine, much better than that POS 6 banger 3800 they put in everything else. I read somewhere that the generic GM V6 has more counterweights than big ben "

While I'm not exactly a fan of the 3800 V-6, calling it a POS is a little off the mark. That engine is virtually indestructable. Now if you said it had probably the most distinctive (and annoying) sound of any V-6 on the market today, I'd be more inclined to agree. That guttoral "thu-thu-thump" sound makes me ill every time I hear it.

As for whether or not GM might stop making LS/LT series V-8's. Well, lets just say GM has a long and famous tradition of discontinuing their best products just as they get them perfected.

J_A_B

koda76 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:48:47 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
A streetable 4 x 4 pickup truck that runs 10's and is reliable enough to be a daily driver?

I'm sure you'll understand if some of us are a little skeptical.

J_A_B

Sure thing....all you have to do is get the article from Hot Rod Magazine or car craft (I don't remember which one).......the guy is an electrician from Iowa the company that installed the turbos is based out of Lenexa Ks.
I don't remember for sure which month it is but it was within the past 3 issues.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #22 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:52:33 PM »

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Originally posted by koda76
Hummm I have 178,000 on my 4.8 w/nos and tap the HP at will
I do have a small turbo motor w/ 205,000 on it but have never got 20,000 out of a huffer motor...last one I had was a 6-71 on a pontiac 455 stuffed in a tube frame 79 pontiac sunbird.
Like I said to each his own I guess....I like the $$$ vs HP I can get with NOS.......in the mid 70's we also had a "tap" for a hit or two....then they figured that out and poisoned the NOS......Wheeeeeeeeeeeeel Stand

Where did you get the blower intake for the pontiac ?? or did you use the small pos b&m on top of a 4bbl manifold ?

(Im just curious who made it )

theres only a few of those MT blower manifolds around .(for the 10 bolt apps) I still know were one of the few crossrams are that Mickey made for pontiacs also .

Also a 4x4 in the 10's ? thats alot of weight and alot of motor to get it there .its hard enough shaving the weight off the 2 wheel drives to get them there (fullsize trucks )

koda76 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:09:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Where did you get the blower intake for the pontiac ?? or did you use the small pos b&m on top of a 4bbl manifold ?

(Im just curious who made it )

Wow your asking alot of my brain cells......I got it from a salvage yard in Salem mo....(blower and all) if I remember right it was a BDS manifold I also had a edlebrock tunnel ram for it That was a TR-1P....I think....... BDS is still in business.
I ran over 200 in the sunbird....I think the et was 6.33...but in 1980 there was no class for a blown street stock, so it was just a fun run....2 weeks later I sold it to 2 guys from Cuba Mo for 15k.
The guy I worked for at the speed shop (Nile Castle) put the bottom end together for me.

theres only a few of those MT blower manifolds around .(for the 10 bolt apps) I still know were one of the few crossrams are that Mickey made for pontiacs also .

I know a guy in Baldwin City Ks that has a SBC Cross Ram on a street rod....(he wouldn't part with it)

Also a 4x4 in the 10's ? thats alot of weight and alot of motor to get it there .its hard enough shaving the weight off the 2 wheel drives to get them there (fullsize trucks )

The guy had a 6.0 built w/ software (maybe Ed Wright software)and put in an L480e....he launchs in 4-hi then pushs the button for 2-hi....now thats shift on the fly.....like I said this guy WILL take your money......

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:46:01 PM »

ok.. so koda.. you basicly drive around in a gutless pickup 99% of the time... every time you accelerate (99% of the time) you are doing it on gutless power. When you want to show off on the freeway you turn on a little bottle and hit the exhaust cutouts..

I like to feel the torque of the motor every single time I take off and go througth the gears... I may not use all the power but I can feel it all the time not 1% of the time (if I remmebered to fill the bottle or there is enough left that is).

Lots of guys I know are running weiand superchargers and a few with poxtopns... the power is there all the time and they are not hard on motors.

RPM.... if you think you can beatr any but the worst smog era vette in lousy tune with that shelby then it is something else that you are smoking.

lazs

koda76 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:56:20 PM »

If you want to call 270 hp 325 ftlbs torque (stock) gutless....lol go ahead.....I had a 74 GTO that was 270 hp stock...It was far from gutless....I have hooked other fullsize pick-up's on a trailer and on a dolly and towed it with out knowing it's there.....Hey I commute in this and get a solid 20mpg @ 80-85 ....so yes I drive a gutless wonder.
And yes when I want to show off I hit the bottle openers, arm the nos, then punch it and hit the cutout......I Likkkkke It I Likkke it Aaallott.

rpm · « **Reply #26 on:** February 02, 2005, 02:18:05 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
RPM.... if you think you can beatr any but the worst smog era vette in lousy tune with that shelby then it is something else that you are smoking.

lazs

No, I just remember the look on his face when I popped the hood.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #27 on:** February 02, 2005, 05:51:26 PM »

There are several of the diesel trucks in the tens. Twin turbos are not uncommon, nor is propane injection. I know of more than a couple of the Duramax powered trucks that are making right at 1000 foot pounds of torque at the fly wheel.

Here's a short video of a Duramax running 11's. Click on the link to the video that suits your connection.

Fast Duramax

A programmer, a new airbox, and some exhaust work will put most Duramax trucks in the 13's without too much trouble, and wuithout hurting the trucks utility as a truck. I sell the Bully Dog stuff, with K&N air boxes and Flowmaster exhaust, the stuff goes on just about every tow vehicle my customers buy. All report dramatic mileage increases, and driveability improvement as well.

Regarding the 3800 Series II V6, it's a great engine, I own one myself, in a Firebird, and I love it. i've seen the give the best service of any V6 on the market.

As to questions about 700HP on pump gas from a small block, well, it's pretty easy to build a 427 small block with off the shelf parts. With the current crop of killer heads on the market, 1.65HP per cubic inch with 10.7: compression is not a problem. And yes, with the right cam and proper tuning, you can run 10.7 on pump gas. Granted, it'll have a solid roller in it so you'll have to run the valves every so often, but that's no big deal.

Steve · « **Reply #28 on:** February 02, 2005, 06:10:20 PM »

I've got the Ls6 in my '86. Mine rates at about 400 but I've read where some have gotten it to 455. I've got a 125 HP NOS shot on it but have never used it.
This ls7 sounds interesting and I'm beginning to toy with the idea of picking one up when it becomes available, depending on how much of a pain any required mods to my '86 would be.

Oh and RPM, I still say you're a liar.

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get this 179,000 miles (as of this am.)

Unless you've rebuilt this motor, your rings can't really handle the boost from your NOS.

rpm · « **Reply #29 on:** February 02, 2005, 06:13:52 PM »

I predict a rash of thrashed out low milage used diesel's on the market. Just like turning up a big rig... lots of power, lot shorter lifespan. There are only so many revolutions in a bearing's lifespan.