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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2005, 12:14:25 AM »
bush should have run as the reform canidate. he could have got got more than 51% of the vote. why didnt bush run as a reform canidate is beyond me, there was alot of to reform. the govt. was so screwed up prez. carrothead could have fixed something.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2005, 08:14:15 AM »
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Hate to rain on your parade Guns (I really do) but which President was it that pulled out early and left Saddam in power which set up this whole mess? You know, the one that called for the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam and we would help them, but didn't do it. He had some famous saying about "read my lips".


It was the one who knew that if we went into Baghdad and took out Saddam, Iraq would spiral down into a 3-way civil war with the U.S. caught in the middle.    Pretty astute guy, I'm thinking.
It took guts to go back on his 'read my lips' promise and raise taxes, too.   But he thought it was the responsible thing to do.    It cost him the election, and I bet he feared it would, but he did it anyway.   The easy thing to do would've been to just keep borrowing money and claim the deficit and national debt doesn't matter.

But it was a shame about the Iraqi people he left in the lurch; no question about that.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2005, 08:29:00 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2005, 08:35:01 AM »
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you are talking about the weapons of mass destruction right?

i seem to remember him saying that is why we should do it.




do you mean these weapons.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2005, 08:36:52 AM »
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To have been right all along He would have had to say from the get go that this was why he was going in.


Read the September 2002 Bush Speech at UN laying out the US case on Iraq. This was before the war, before no WMD were found.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html

Unless you are a complete troll and completly dishonest you must acknowlege that a good half of it deals with human rights and freedom for Iraqis.

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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2005, 09:08:29 AM »
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Hate to rain on your parade Guns (I really do) but which President was it that pulled out early and left Saddam in power which set up this whole mess? You know, the one that called for the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam and we would help them, but didn't do it. He had some famous saying about "read my lips".


rpm,

That is hardly a fair or accurate summation. The move into Kuwait and later Iraq had a single goal that was supported by the coalition. That was the removal of Iraqi troops from Kuwait and the reinstatement of the Kuwait goverernment. A very clearly worded goal with a even more clearly worded exit point forbid continuing into Baghdad and removal of saddumb. The fact that the coalition wouldn't support the removal of saddumb doesn't have anything to do with stopping operations in Iraq during gulf war 1 does it....
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2005, 09:33:01 AM »
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I think the biggest win was allowing the population of Iraq to hear and see the 'insurgents' targeting them instead of the occupying Americans.

It made them lose more credibility and encouraged national pride. If the Iraqi people don't get motivated now, it will never happen...


I'm stunned... a new point of view for a change. :aok
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2005, 09:51:18 AM »
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I'm stunned... a new point of view for a change. :aok


Like the faint clanging of a bouy, floating on a sea of inexorable revisionism.

For the invasion was never about WMD, it was about bringing democracy to Iraq. And were it about WMD, Iraq surely had them.

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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2005, 10:01:31 AM »
Some ex.pat.-Iraqies don't see it so 'clearly'

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=605289

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2005, 10:02:47 AM »
Don't get me wrong. I didn't agree with the invasion, and I still do not. I don't consider the election to be justification for an invasion. It's just one small step on the long road towards stability and U.S. withdrawal from the area.

As Powell said... we broke it, we bought it.
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2005, 10:02:51 AM »
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Hate to rain on your parade Guns (I really do) but which President was it that pulled out early and left Saddam in power which set up this whole mess? You know, the one that called for the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam and we would help them, but didn't do it. He had some famous saying about "read my lips".


Operation Desert Storm / Shield was enacted to REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN FROM KUWAIT.   I hate rain too.

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2005, 10:51:56 AM »
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This might've been something worthwhile to mention while he was running for 2nd term.    I think he spends money like he is never ever going to have to pay it back.   Come to think of it, he never is going to have to pay it back.   Your kids are.

I'd rather my children and grandchildren have to wrestle with debt, than march into battle because we didn't handle the ever-growing terrorist problem when we had the opportunity and the wherewithall to do it. That'd be a terrible legacy for us to leave behind.

GWB prolly doesn't give a rat's behind what you or I think of him now, as long as this is dealt with here and now.

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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2005, 10:53:31 AM »
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Read the September 2002 Bush Speech at UN laying out the US case on Iraq. This was before the war, before no WMD were found.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html

Unless you are a complete troll and completly dishonest you must acknowlege that a good half of it deals with human rights and freedom for Iraqis.


90% of that speech is on WMD and Saddam not abiding by the U.N. Yes Bush mentions the Iraqi people and freeing them from their miserable existence but only as another point he is making about how bad Saddam is. Sorry but he is giving his case for war not giving a speech on how everyone needs freedom. IMO

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2005, 11:07:02 AM »
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90% of that speech is on WMD and Saddam not abiding by the U.N. Yes Bush mentions the Iraqi people and freeing them from their miserable existence but only as another point he is making about how bad Saddam is. Sorry but he is giving his case for war not giving a speech on how everyone needs freedom. IMO


GWB:

"And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its nuclear program -- weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data, an accounting of nuclear materials and documentation of foreign assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians. It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon. Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons.

Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond the 150 kilometers permitted by the U.N. Work at testing and production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range missiles that it can inflict mass death throughout the region."





Sadd-man brought it on himself. If they had no WMDs, he should have behaved differently. If a person, much larger than myself, says to me "Look, the 'hood's not gonna take any more of yer rock throwin. Show us you don't have rocks in yer pockets, or we're gonna pummel ya", you think I'm gonna puff up my chest and double-dog dare him to? Hell no.

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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2005, 11:56:03 AM »
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Sadd-man brought it on himself. If they had no WMDs, he should have behaved differently. If a person, much larger than myself, says to me "Look, the 'hood's not gonna take any more of yer rock throwin. Show us you don't have rocks in yer pockets, or we're gonna pummel ya", you think I'm gonna puff up my chest and double-dog dare him to? Hell no.


You might, if you know that when all the local kids find out you don't really have any rocks they are going to jump your ass.