Author Topic: G reversals and "fuzzy" mode. (Read 505 times)

Tilt · « **on:** January 26, 2005, 07:34:09 AM »

We black out under high g or under sustained near high g.

We red out under high negative g or sustained near high negative g.

But supposing we initiated a manouvre that caused g reversals from medium positive to medium negative? heavy evasive jinking may do this.

Should this not also inhibit pilot capability in some way?

supposing as we entered into the zones of high positive and negative g we endured a "fuzzy" period where inputs were delayed or damped (reactions slowed).

indeed as the zone of vision collapses could there be a "fuzzy mode curve" with increasing delay/damping on inputs until full black out is achieved.

this fuzzy mode could also be incurred when g reversals from positive to negative are incurred.

Riding the edge would then take on an additional characturistic related to the pilots ability beyond that of tunnel vision and the on/off black out or red out switch.

hitech · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2005, 09:20:02 AM »

It just dosn't work anything like that in real life.

HiTech

Octavius · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2005, 09:22:59 AM »

It is as instantaneous in real situations as in AH? I've been wondering that since I started flying

Tilt · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2005, 10:14:26 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
It just dosn't work anything like that in real life.

HiTech

How does it work in real life?

Is pilot performance unaffected until the lights go out?

Does repeatedly going from plus 4 to minus 1 and back again induce no depreciation in pilot performance?

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2005, 02:06:07 PM »

Might make you puke.

XrightyX · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2005, 06:52:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
How does it work in real life?

Is pilot performance unaffected until the lights go out?

Does repeatedly going from plus 4 to minus 1 and back again induce no depreciation in pilot performance?

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Might make you puke.

We get oil on the canopy from damage to engine, we get blood on the canopy from damage to pilot...

Could we get puke on the instruments from too many violent manuvers?

Just a thought

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jodgi · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2005, 08:28:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
How does it work in real life?

Is pilot performance unaffected until the lights go out?

Does repeatedly going from plus 4 to minus 1 and back again induce no depreciation in pilot performance?

Very hard to answer, but I'm sure there are many with experience that would have strong opinions... and even more peeps with no experience that would have even stronger opinions

How G's affect a person depends heavily on who that person is and what plane he's flying (inclined seats and such...). Then add G-suits to the equation.

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Does repeatedly going from plus 4 to minus 1 and back again induce no depreciation in pilot performance?

I'm guessing that the biggest problem with this would be nausea, then exhaustion after some time. How would that be modelled?

jodgi · « **Reply #7 on:** January 27, 2005, 08:31:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
It is as instantaneous in real situations as in AH? I've been wondering that since I started flying

Definately, if the G increase is sudden and strong enough it would be like flicking a switch. If you could do it in this or that plane is another question.

JTs · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:37:16 PM »

if we get puke the crew cheif will really be getting mad a t me

J_A_B · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2005, 08:55:12 PM »

Well, if you're repeatedly going into the negative Gee range, there's another consequence that doesn't translate well into a game like this--you get all that dirt and mud and maybe a pen you lost flying up in your eyes. Hence why most pilots usually avoided pulling negative gee maneuvers when they could.

J_A_B

hitech · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2005, 09:37:27 AM »

That dust flying up your nose can be a nuisance.

HiTech

Tilt · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2005, 10:03:47 AM »

I hear some AH pilots claim to have shot down opponents whilst blacked out.................

jodgi · « **Reply #12 on:** February 01, 2005, 12:17:41 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
That dust flying up your nose can be a nuisance.

HiTech

A ballpoint pen poking your eye isn't fun either.

hitech · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2005, 12:46:18 PM »

Or when that water bottle flies all the way to the back of the canopy. And you can't reach it. Then it falls out on runway when you open the canopy on runout.

HiTech

jodgi · « **Reply #14 on:** February 01, 2005, 01:19:33 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Or when that water bottle flies all the way to the back of the canopy. And you can't reach it. Then it falls out on runway when you open the canopy on runout.

HiTech

Was that by any chance a glass bottle? LOL

I can hear the ATC guys mumbling when ordering out a sweeping crew. And what about that airline turning final, were they happy?

Heck! you could just blame it on the fine grain sand in your eyes, I bet they would be very sympathetic to that.