Author Topic: A European Looks at Europe (Read 2418 times)

Toad · « **Reply #60 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:05:12 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Well, you never gave an answer that I saw.

Your question is "was it worth it".

My answer, in absence of finding WMD, is clearly "NO".

I can't see how you missed this. From one of our MANY past exchanges:

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Toad:

Yes, I supported Bush's decision to go to war based on what our government was saying and what some friends still in the biz were telling me.

Still, I also said upfront those WMD had to be there to justify invading a sovereign nation. I'm sure you can do a search and find my posts that mention that.

So, tell me now, over a year after the invasion and SH, the WMD-meister himself in our custody for 6 months or so......

The WMD

A) were non-existent and never were there

B) are still there but we don't know where they are

C) are in Syria, where the government is very chummy with known Islamic terrorist organizations

Which is it? After picking your answer, explain how that justifies invading a sovereign nation and losing 800+ of your finest citizens while saying "mission accomplished".

Because this mission was always about WMD. That was the entire thrust of the UN discussion.

Thanks in advance.

What can be confusing about that? What part don't you understand?

NUKE · « **Reply #61 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:21:32 PM »

You just said that because we found no WMD , the war was not worth it. Easy to understand. Thanks.

Why was it so hard for you to explain? One sentence would have answered my question.

Toad · « **Reply #62 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:23:10 PM »

That exactly what I said the other 150 times you asked. I haven't said a single thing I didn't say before numerous other times. Note I quoted myself.

NUKE · « **Reply #63 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:27:27 PM »

Well, I noticed you number for the "times I have asked " keeps growing, yet your answer was always pretty vauge.

How hard is it to simply state an answer? In fact, I summerized your view as:

the war was not worth it because we have not found any WMD, yet you then stated that I simplified your stance......then you came back here and verified that that was indeed your stance.

I don't get it.

The reason I'm jumping on you is because you seem to be "European" as presented in the article which began this thread.

NUKE · « **Reply #64 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:33:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Although you have summarized my position incompletely and somewhat incorrectly in the above post.

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I said that because we found no WMD, you thought the war was not worth it.

Then you came back here and verified that that was what you meant.

So, we wasted all this time getting back to this simple idea of yours.....which claimed I had over simlified......then later verified as what you had meant to say.

Toad · « **Reply #65 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:34:33 PM »

Aw.. you caught me. OK, I exaggerated the number of times you keep asking me the same question. But maybe you'll remember the answer next time you're wondering.

It isn't that simple.

I doubt you recall an extensive discussion of Just War Theory that I participated in pre-war.

It's not a simple concept but I think we shouldn't be involved in any war that doesn't meet the criteria.

Beyond that, I don't think US boys should be doing for Iraq what Iraqi boys should have done and should be doing for themselves. We had that discussion too? Do you remember that?

If you think I seem Euro as presented in the article, then that's your perception. You're wrong, of course. But little details like Just War Theory enter into it.

Ask some of the Ameristalkers if they think I'm Euro as described in the article. I bet they don't share your perception.

NUKE · « **Reply #66 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:36:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Aw.. you caught me. OK, I exaggerated the number of times you keep asking me the same question. But maybe you'll remember the answer next time you're wondering.

It isn't that simple.

I doubt you recall an extensive discussion of Just War Theory that I participated in pre-war.

It's not a simple concept but I think we shouldn't be involved in any war that doesn't meet the criteria.

Beyond that, I don't think US boys should be doing for Iraq what Iraqi boys should have done and should be doing for themselves. We had that discussion too? Do you remember that?

If you think I seem Euro as presented in the article, then that's your perception. You're wrong, of course. But little details like Just War Theory enter into it.

Ask some of the Ameristalkers if they think I'm Euro as described in the article. I bet they don't share your perception.

Boiled down to the statements you have made, you basically said that because we found no WMD, the war was not worth it.

That's what you said.

Toad · « **Reply #67 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:40:25 PM »

Play semantics with yourself all you like. Simplify it until you're personally comfortable with what you think I said.

NUKE · « **Reply #68 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:42:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Play semantics with yourself all you like. Simplify it until you're personally comfortable with what you think I said.

I'm going by your actual statements, not semantics.

You even verified it in this thread. Do I need to quote someting you said in the past 30 minutes?

NUKE · « **Reply #69 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:43:45 PM »

"You just said that because we found no WMD , the war was not worth it. Easy to understand. Thanks.

Why was it so hard for you to explain? One sentence would have answered my question."

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Originally posted by Toad
That exactly what I said the other 150 times you asked. I haven't said a single thing I didn't say before numerous other times. Note I quoted myself.

NUKE · « **Reply #70 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:49:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Aw.. you caught me. OK, I exaggerated the number of times you keep asking me the same question.

Actually, I'd like you to list more than three times I have asked you if you thought the Iraq war was worth it.

Toad · « **Reply #71 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:49:25 PM »

And, as I pointed out, that is not nearly ALL of what I said on the subject.

Without the rest of it, it's an oversimplification which YOU made.

Are you having fun arguing about nothing?

NUKE · « **Reply #72 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:52:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
And, as I pointed out, that is not nearly ALL of what I said on the subject.

Without the rest of it, it's an oversimplification which YOU made.

Are you having fun arguing about nothing?

Whatever. You refuse to answer a simple question, then agree with me on your answer, then backpeddle and say I'm arguing about nothing?

Make it simple. Answer this once and for all: Do you think it was worth it for the US to invade Iraq?

Pretty damn simple question. Ask me and I will answer, no hesitation.

Toad · « **Reply #73 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:06:39 PM »

Did we invade a sovereign nation?

Did we go in to remove the WMD?

Did we find the WMD?

Have we lost >1300 soldiers while not finding what we went in to find?

Pretty simple alright. Unless you're simple minded.

NUKE · « **Reply #74 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:11:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Did we go in to remove the WMD?

Did we find the WMD?

Have we lost >1300 soldiers while not finding what we went in to find?

Pretty simple alright. Unless you're simple minded.

Toad, you are the simple minded. You are the one who supported the war based on the evidence of the time, then pulled your support after WMD had not been found.

You are a 20/20 hindsight supporter.

And by the way, 1.5 tons of VX nerve gas has never been acounted for. Did it vanish in thin air?

I guess you are more Euro than you would care to admit.

You should have never commented on the article that began this thread, because you look rediculous.