Aurora

[SaburoS]

Usually there's something else in the operation if they're going to retire an existing program (SR71).

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Usually there's something else in the operation if they're going to retire an existing program (SR71).

You bet, and it's f*****g awesome! Here's a pic.

[lasersailor184]

No, anti Gravity is a dream of Einstein that never got off the ground (hehe).

Basically, the laws and rules of Gravity and Electricity use the exact same equations, so Einstein thought that since you can insulate against electricity, you can insulate against gravity.

But electricity is moving particles.  Gravity is an unseen force between objects.  While their equations might be the same, they are not the same.


At least not until we figure out what the other dimensions are.

[Heater]

Well all I will say is this, the F-117 was around for 12+ years before the general public new anything about it at all, it's first flight was in 1976 (Have Blue program)

so it's very well possible it's flying

[spitfiremkv]

can I get rated in it?


will somebody check me out?

[Siaf__csf]

Some theories go that the Aroura is devloped anti-gravity technology

On a related note, Boeing is developing a power source for teh anti-gravity machine with another russian high-tech invention.

You remember, cold fusion?

[rpm]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, anti Gravity is a dream of Einstein that never got off the ground (hehe).

Basically, the laws and rules of Gravity and Electricity use the exact same equations, so Einstein thought that since you can insulate against electricity, you can insulate against gravity.

But electricity is moving particles.  Gravity is an unseen force between objects.  While their equations might be the same, they are not the same.


At least not until we figure out what the other dimensions are.

Of course anti-gravity is possible. Haven't you seen David Blaine?

[NUKE]

When I was a kid in the mid seventies, a kid down the street named Charlie would tell us about this secrete plane the government had that was invisible on radar. He said it had radar obsorbing paint and used a lot of synthetic materials.

His dad told him about it. Nobody really knew what his dad did, but we would always hear cool things about what the military was supposedly working on.

I have been hearing about the Aurora for about, what, 15 years? I wouldn't be surprised if we had them.

The latest technology that we are working on is airbreathing/space going fighters and bombers capable of hypersonic flight. They supposedly want to develope a "strike anywhere in the world" capability from the continental US.

These planes would be able to take off normally, then get going fast enough to enter low earth orbit and attack any target, anywhere on earth within a very short notice.... while remaining almost impossible to defend against.

If I can find the article I have read about it, I'll post it here.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Basically, the laws and rules of Gravity and Electricity use the exact same equations, so Einstein thought that since you can insulate against electricity, you can insulate against gravity.

I think you may be confused.

In the last half of his life Einstein tried to discover a unified field theory, which could treat electromagnetism, gravity, and the weak and strong nuclear forces, but was unsuccessful.  Einstein had problem accepting that relavistic theory was for big stuff and quantum mechanics was for small stuff.

No Grand Unified Theory has been found yet, although multidimensional superstring seems closer than we ever have ever been.

Einstein developed the field theory of gravity that large masses warp spacetime in a way we perceive as gravitational force.

Magnetism, the field phenomenon related to electricity, surrounds any conductor through which electrical current passes.  The voltage element of electricity is insulated but the magnetic field exists outside the wire insulation.  I am unaware of insulation that works against a magnetic field.

Both feilds follow the inverse square law, but due to the polar difference, magnetic and gravitational feilds have different shapes.

You can counteract a magnetic field with a opposite poled magnetic field, but as there is no pole associated with gravity it would be difficult to counteract a gravity field with an opposite poled field.

[NUKE]

Has anyone ever explained what causes gravity?

[Holden McGroin]

Nobody has fundamentally explained any of the basic forces, we can only observe their effects.

Electricity is due to charges particles but why the charges exist remains unanswered.

If you subcribe to string theory, all forces and particles fundamentally exist as vibrating strings.  What makes them vibrate?  Only --- knows.

[JB88]

Originally posted by NUKE
When I was a kid in the mid seventies, a kid down the street named Charlie would tell us about this secrete plane the government had that was invisible on radar. He said it had radar obsorbing paint and used a lot of synthetic materials.

His dad told him about it. Nobody really knew what his dad did, but we would always hear cool things about what the military was supposedly working on.

I have been hearing about the Aurora for about, what, 15 years? I wouldn't be surprised if we had them.

The latest technology that we are working on is airbreathing/space going fighters and bombers capable of hypersonic flight. They supposedly want to develope a "strike anywhere in the world" capability from the continental US.

These planes would be able to take off normally, then get going fast enough to enter low earth orbit and attack any target, anywhere on earth within a very short notice.... while remaining almost impossible to defend against.

If I can find the article I have read about it, I'll post it here.

rumor has it, the rooks have been a useful resource in the developement of this technology.

[Gunslinger]

http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.htm

Reports of plans for a high-performance piloted replacement for the SR-71 date back more than a decade. In 1979 it was reported that a:<41>

"... Mach 4, 200,000-ft.-altitude aircraft that could be a follow-on to the Lockheed SR-71 strategic reconnaissance vehicle in the 1990s has been defined by the Air Force Aeronautical Systems Division and Lockheed."

As previously noted, reports of the existence of a successor to the SR-71 surfaced repeatedly during the debate over termination of the SR-71. Subsequent observations of mysterious aerial phenomena have been connected with the 1988 reports that Aurora was a Mach 6 stealthy reconnaissance aircraft that was being developed to replace the SR-71.<42>


 

Noted aerospace analyst Wolfgang Demisch, of First Boston Company, suggested that the $10 billion program would result in the production of about 30 aircraft.<43> More recently, Kemper Security analyst Lawrence Harris concluded that Lockheed was involved in a:<44>

"... hypersonic replacement for the Mach 3 plus SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft. Circumstantial evidence suggests that this project has been underway since 1987 and that a first flight occurred in 1989... Aurora could be operational in 1995, six years after the probable first flight."

This analysis suggested that the total development costs for Aurora might range from $4.4 billion to $8 billion, with the procurement of 24 aircraft costing an additional $10 billion to $24 billion.

According to another report, by mid-1992:<45>

"... Aurora was being flown from a base in the Nevada desert to an atoll in the Pacific, then on to Scotland to refuel before returning to the US at night. Specially modified tanker aircraft are being used to top up Aurora's tanks with liquid methane fuel in mid-air... The US Air Force is using the remote RAF airbase at Machrihanish, Strathclyde, as a staging point... The mystery aircraft has been dropping in at night before streaking back to America across the North Pole at more than six times the speed of sound... An F-111 fighter bomber is scrambling as the black-painted aircraft lands, flying in close formation to confuse prying civilian radars."

The rationale used most frequently by the Department of Defense for the SR-71's termination was financial. The Blackbird's operation and maintenance costs were very high. According to some reports, the SR-71's O&M costs were nearly $710- million in FY-90 and FY-91.<46> Furthermore, they argued, imaging satellites could now conduct worldwide surveillance more efficiently and less expensively than manned reconnaissance aircraft.

Independent aerospace analysts, however, deflated this argument somewhat by pointing to the unique advantages aircraft bring to the reconnaissance arena. Aircraft, for example, are inherently flexible and unpredictable. Though not as fast as satellites, they can fly lower and the interval between over the horizon arrival and time-over-target is just as short. Aircraft have a wide choice of routes, so tracking ships are unlikely to see it on the way in. Application of low observable technology could further reduce warning time.<47> Thus, it appears plausible that aircraft may still have a role in global reconnaissance.

Another analyst has considered the possibilities of "Aurora's" characteristics and capabilities. A long-range reconnaissance follow-on to the SR-71 would be a blended delta with 75 degree leading-edge sweep and retractable low-speed foreplanes. It would be powered by two regenerative air-turboramjet (RATR) engines of 180 kN sea-level static thrust. It would carry a crew of two and use a synthetic aperture radar with real-time datalink for reconnaissance (Figure 4). It is suggested that this type of platform could be very responsive, much more easily maintainable than the SR-71 and could deliver imagery of most points of interest within six hours of the decision to go. A speed between Mach 5 and Mach 6 and a cruising altitude of 40 kilometers would make the aircraft invulnerable to any current missile system.<48>

[JB73]

gunslinger

i heard the exact same flight plan years ago in a report from sizemotolgists.

seems they were tracking some odd sizemic events, and were able to identify a flight line for the plane. they tracked it to a base in nevada, then tracked it to scottland by the sizemic trail it left. there was no sonic boom at those altitudes that we could hear, but the turbulence left a very small signature behind it.

they estimated the speeds in excess of mach 9 out over the pacific doing manuevers

[Holden McGroin]

If Aurora did Mach 9 years ago, seems like they wasted some money on the X-43.  



They could have said "Been there... done that"